Who uses scientific calculators?

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The discussion revolves around the usage of scientific calculators beyond the typical users such as students and teachers. Participants explore the roles of engineers, physicists, mathematicians, and others in various contexts, including education, professional work, and personal use.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that engineers and physicists are likely users of scientific calculators, while others question the extent of their use compared to software like MATLAB.
  • One participant notes that many modern calculators are essentially scientific calculators by older standards, raising questions about the definition and expectations of their use.
  • There is a viewpoint that mathematicians may not frequently use scientific calculators, as their work often involves either no computation or extensive computation that requires computer software.
  • Some participants express a preference for using scientific calculators for quick calculations when laptops or more complex software are impractical.
  • A participant mentions the decline in the use of calculators in favor of smartphones and apps like Wolfram Alpha, which provide more comprehensive information and functionality.
  • Concerns are raised about the increasing complexity of calculators, with some participants reminiscing about older models that offered a better balance of features and usability.
  • Some participants highlight the role of calculators in specific contexts, such as financial calculations or sports statistics, where they serve practical purposes.
  • There is a humorous defense of the slide rule as a reliable tool in situations where electronic devices may fail.
  • One participant notes that the limited functionality of scientific calculators is sometimes preferred in educational settings to prevent cheating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on the relevance and usage of scientific calculators, indicating that there is no consensus on who primarily uses them or in what contexts they are most effective. Multiple competing views remain regarding their practicality compared to modern software tools.

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Some limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the capabilities of calculators versus software, the evolving nature of technology, and the varying definitions of what constitutes a scientific calculator.

  • #31
dkotschessaa said:
Yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking. I believe that mechanical devices like slide rules and abucuses (abaci? I don't know the plural) can really help mathematical intuition.
Yes, abaci is the correct plural, which I believe is pronounced ab' a see.
Working with a slide rule can help with mathematical intuition because you have to figure out the correct power of ten for many calculations, such as 432 x 363. The way it works is that you put the 1 marker on the C scale on, say, 4.32 on the D scale, and then slide the cursor to 3.63 on the C scale.(In doing this I actually had to put the 1 marker at the right end of the C scale on 4.32). On the D scale, the cursor shows a little shy of 1.57. Since 432 is really 4.32 X 102 and 363 is really 3.63 X 102, my slide rule answer is 15.7 X 104, or 1.57 X 105. This isn't too far from the exact answer, 156,816.

How a slide rule works for multiplication can give one a good insight to logarithms, as many of the scales are laid out logarithmically. The 1 on the left end of the C and D scales represents 0 (the log10 1 is 0). The 1 on the right end of these scales represents 10 (whose log is 1). The 2 on these scales is placed about .3010 of the way between the two ends, and 3 is placed about .4771 of the way.

When you multiply 2 and 3, you are really adding the logs of these numbers, and getting the log (base 10) of the answer. For example, placing the left-end 1 of the C scale on the 3 of the D scale, and then moving the cursor to the 2 on the C scale lines up with the 6 marker on the D scale. In effect you are doing this addition: ##\log 3 + \log 2 = \log(3 \cdot 2) = \log 6##.

Division is just the opposite; instead of adding the lengths (adding the logs), you subtract the lengths.To calculate 3/2, put the 3 on the C scale above the 2 on the D scale, and read the answer on the D scale under the 1 on the C scale. You are effectively subtracting the length of 2 (on the C scale) from the length of 3 (on the D scale) to get the quotient, keeping in mind that what I'm referring to as "lengths" are really logarithms in base-10.
 
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  • #32
Mark44 said:
Yes, abaci is the correct plural, which I believe is pronounced ab' a see.
Working with a slide rule can help with mathematical intuition because you have to figure out the correct power of ten for many calculations, such as 432 x 363. The way it works is that you put the 1 marker on the C scale on, say, 4.32 on the D scale, and then slide the cursor to 3.63 on the C scale.(In doing this I actually had to put the 1 marker at the right end of the C scale on 4.32). On the D scale, the cursor shows a little shy of 1.57. Since 432 is really 4.32 X 102 and 363 is really 3.63 X 102, my slide rule answer is 15.7 X 104, or 1.57 X 105. This isn't too far from the exact answer, 156,816.

How a slide rule works for multiplication can give one a good insight to logarithms, as many of the scales are laid out logarithmically. The 1 on the left end of the C and D scales represents 0 (the log10 1 is 0). The 1 on the right end of these scales represents 10 (whose log is 1). The 2 on these scales is placed about .3010 of the way between the two ends, and 3 is placed about .4771 of the way.

When you multiply 2 and 3, you are really adding the logs of these numbers, and getting the log (base 10) of the answer. For example, placing the left-end 1 of the C scale on the 3 of the D scale, and then moving the cursor to the 2 on the C scale lines up with the 6 marker on the D scale. In effect you are doing this addition: ##\log 3 + \log 2 = \log(3 \cdot 2) = \log 6##.

Division is just the opposite; instead of adding the lengths (adding the logs), you subtract the lengths.To calculate 3/2, put the 3 on the C scale above the 2 on the D scale, and read the answer on the D scale under the 1 on the C scale. You are effectively subtracting the length of 2 (on the C scale) from the length of 3 (on the D scale) to get the quotient, keeping in mind that what I'm referring to as "lengths" are really logarithms in base-10.

Thanks for this. When I get a moment I'm going to mess with the one I have.
 
  • #33
dkotschessaa said:
Thanks for this. When I get a moment I'm going to mess with the one I have.
I have four of them: a very cheap plastic one with scales on only one side and blank on the other; a plastic one that must have been a bit more expensive, with scales on both sides; an inexpensive aluminum one with scales on one side and fraction-to-decimal conversions and other stuff on the other side; a very nice bamboo slide rule with a leather case and a magnifying lens, and scales on both sides. This last one belonged to my wife's father. He must have gotten it back in the '30s or so.
 
  • #34
dkotschessaa said:
I inherited one from my dad and I really want to learn how to use it. I always thought it would help me intuitively understand logarithms a bit more.

-Dave K

I recently purchased two slide rules from ebay. sliderulemuseum.com has step by step instructions for basic use.
My older sister used one in high school and by the time I got there, TI calculators were in the classroom.

As for calculator use now, I have a HP48GX that I've used for the past 18 years and it's the only device I know... I love RPN.
 
  • #35
In my job I use a casio fx 300ES and the like for general math stuff but I use the time function almost every day. I have machine runs that takes 5 or 6 hours and the operators need to know when it will finish the run so I have to use the machine scan speed and calculate the run time so hour minute and second notation is crucial and it works well. I have a 12c also, trying to learn RPN programming and an HP48 but I seldom need that much caclulator, lot of conversions and such, pounds to grams, F to C, that kind of thing, and constants like c and G and such.
 
  • #36
Liberty Bell said:
Who uses scientific calculators, aside from students and teachers? Engineers and physicists, I suppose.

I am software engineer. I use standart windows calculator, but my collegues use scientific calc develop in our company in Delphi.
 

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