Who was the true hero behind the Rebel Alliance's victory in Rogue One?

[sanman]

Well, they can always give us Carrie as a Force Ghost - after all, once Han was dead, Leia might have lost her will to live

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

I'm don't see a use for either character in any future film. The 1977 Princess Leia shouldn't need to be CGI'd into anything else. Same goes for Tarkin.
Unless you're just referring to them using that technique in general. Either way, their CGI still needs some work in my opinion. Seeing it didn't ruin the film for me, but I wasn't impressed. Like I said before, they could've easily just shown her from the back. Tarkin they could've dropped completely, it wouldn't have bothered me. But it is what it is, I'll still pick it up on Bluray when it comes out.

I'm not sure why you said "shouldn't"...

 

[DaveC426913]

"It's just a movie, it's just a movie, it's just a movie."

Not for some of us.

I was 13. A very impressionable age.

It defined me wholly for two decades (as a sci-fi nerd, artist and a film industry wannabe) and partially for another 2.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Not for some of us.

I was 13. A very impressionable age.

It defined me wholly for two decades (as a sci-fi nerd, artist and a film industry wannabe) and partially for another 2.

"It's just a movie, but you can obsess about it. "

 

[Rubidium_71]

Well, they can always give us Carrie as a Force Ghost - after all, once Han was dead, Leia might have lost her will to live

It takes a lot of mojo to come back as a Force ghost and it didn't look like Leia ever had any formal training. Even Qui-Gon was only able to come back as a disembodied voice as far as I can remember. Obi-Wan was also just a voice after his death in New Hope before he finally was able to appear as a vision in Empire. Since I was never a fan of Hayden Christensen showing up as a Force Ghost I wouldn't really be interested in seeing a CGI Leia come back to haunt us.

I'm not sure why you said "shouldn't"...

Rogue One takes the story right up to New Hope, so they shouldn't need to recreate/CGI the 1977 Leia for any future films they have planned.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Rogue One takes the story right up to New Hope, so they shouldn't need to recreate/CGI the 1977 Leia for any future films they have planned.

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

 

[DaveC426913]

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

Which intervening 30 years?

Rubidium specified the 1977 Leia doesn't need to be recreated.
Unless, I suppose, they make a film post-SW:3 and pre-SW:3.5. But then she'd be a teenager.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Which intervening 30 years?

Rubidium specified the 1977 Leia doesn't need to be recreated.
Unless, I suppose, they make a film post-SW:3 and pre-SW:3.5. But then she'd be a teenager.

Okay, the next X years while she still looked like her Return self. (Are we really stressing on this?)

 

[Rubidium_71]

But then she'd be a teenager.

Quite right, Phinds, and in that event they would likely re-cast the part rather than employ CGI.

As far as I know, aside from Episodes 7,8 and 9 the studio plans to do a young Han Solo movie (Leia and Han didn't meet until Episode 4, so her character shouldn't even need to be in that one) and a Boba Fett movie. I haven't heard of any plans for a young Leia movie, so they shouldn't need to have any more Leia CGI appearances and that's a good thing in my opinion.

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

There's plenty of SW material filling in that episode 3-4 gap already. Some of it I do find interesting.

Are we really stressing on this?

Not me, I'm simply answering your question and commenting on the film I saw.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

We're good then. The last movie I got excited about was "Creature from the Black Lagoon."

 

[sanman]

All I know is that J J Abrams is way overrated - his Ep-7 sucks compared to Rogue One.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

All I know is that J J Abrams is way overrated - his Ep-7 sucks compared to Rogue One.

That explains why it did so poorly at the box office.

 

[sanman]

That explains why it did so poorly at the box office.

Meh, even Phantom Menace did well at the box office - but after I came out of that movie, I already knew I didn't like JarJar, the Bumblee man, and that stupid pod-racing scene

 

[RogueOne]

I was pleased with this movie, as you can see.

 

[DennisN]

After years of being a Trek fan I am not sure what I would think of myself if I read a Star Wars novel. That's like committing. But I'll think about it.

 

[DennisN]

I have mixed feelings about Rogue One, my summary, please note spoilers below!:

Spoiler

Pros: It's Star Wars. Some pretty cool scenes, pretty good action. Some very cool scenes. The basic story was pretty good. Some good humor. The stolen Imperial droid was quite fun.

Cons: Uneven acting, there were some minor roles with subpar acting, IMO. Some over-the-top and unnecessarily dramatic scenes like 1) the heroine facing Tarkin alone on the Imperial station in the end and 2) when the heroes die from the Death Star shockwave in the end. I also found the story connection to A New Hope in the end a bit desperate, like "you really need to understand that this is the prequel" so "here is Darth Vader, here is the rebel ship and here is Leia. Got it?" Yes, I get it, please don't rub it in my face :D.

My verdict: better than the Jar-Jar prequels, but not even close to A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens.

 

[RogueOne]

I have mixed feelings about Rogue One, my summary, please note spoilers below!:

Spoiler

Pros: It's Star Wars. Some pretty cool scenes, pretty good action. Some very cool scenes. The basic story was pretty good. Some good humor. The stolen Imperial droid was quite fun.

Cons: Uneven acting, there were some minor roles with subpar acting, IMO. Some over-the-top and unnecessarily dramatic scenes like 1) the heroine facing Tarkin alone on the Imperial station in the end and 2) when the heroes die from the Death Star shockwave in the end. I also found the story connection to A New Hope in the end a bit desperate, like "you really need to understand that this is the prequel" so "here is Darth Vader, here is the rebel ship and here is Leia. Got it?" Yes, I get it, please don't rub it in my face :D.

My verdict: better than the Jar-Jar prequels, but not even close to A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens.

I thought it was the best star wars since the original trilogy. I had low expectations for it due to the last few star wars movies being ultra disappointing, but this one made me grin when I saw it in theaters. I agree that "A New Hope" is better. So is "The Return of The Jedi", but it depends on your mood. Its not trailing too far behind the best of the best IMO. This new movie has actually given me 'a new hope' for the star wars series. Pun intended. Please give me compliments for my pun. Thank you.

 

[DennisN]

@RogueOne, it is only my personal opinion, which of course is utterly subjective. I discussed the movie with a close friend who also is a Star Wars fan and he gave it a better rating than me, four out of five. I disagreed with him and said I can't give it a four, because my rating is Empire (5), A New Hope (5), Return of the Jedi (4+) and I don't think "Rogue One" comes close to "Jedi" so it gets a weak 3, 3- from me, or 2+. And I liked "The Force Awakens" much more than "Rogue One". But it's subjective to discuss and rate movies, of course .

 

[DaveC426913]

Yes, I get it, please don't rub it in my face :D.

Not for me, man. The last ten minutes was like a best friend finally coming home after 40 years.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Not for me, man. The last ten minutes was like a best friend finally coming home after 40 years.

Best fight in the series, IMNSHO.

 

[RogueOne]

Not for me, man. The last ten minutes was like a best friend finally coming home after 40 years.

I felt the same way. Honestly, I left the theater grinning.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

See what happens when you give a stolen, reprogrammed, egocentric, smartass Imperial droid a gun?

 

[DennisN]

Sidenote: Star Wars fans, I have posted a brand new teaser for the next Star Wars here: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/star-wars-ep-viii-the-last-jedi-upcoming.911406/

 

[XZ923]

I thought Rogue One and Force Awakens were entertaining enough but not the original trilogy.

My problem is that I'm a huge SW fan and I read pretty much the whole expanded universe before they ditched it as Star Wars Legends. As far as Rogue One goes, sure it was a good movie and Jyn Erso is a unique character, but tell me that Galen Marek's story wouldn't have made a better movie. I dare you...

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

I thought Rogue One and Force Awakens were entertaining enough but not the original trilogy.

My problem is that I'm a huge SW fan and I read pretty much the whole expanded universe before they ditched it as Star Wars Legends. As far as Rogue One goes, sure it was a good movie and Jyn Erso is a unique character, but tell me that Galen Marek's story wouldn't have made a better movie. I dare you...

...Galen Marek's story wouldn't have made a better movie...

Happy?

 

[XZ923]

...Galen Marek's story wouldn't have made a better movie...

Happy?

Agree to disagree.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Agree to disagree.

I'm unbiased, I don't know who he is.

 

[XZ923]

I'm unbiased, I don't know who he is.

Rogue One was a movie about how the Rebels got hold of the Death Star plans. Galen Marek was the protagonist of several video games, and the pinnacle of his story was the same, obtaining the Death Star plans. Only instead of being the daughter of an architect, he was the secret apprentice of Darth Vader who was betrayed by Vader and in turn betrayed him by obtaining the plans. In fact, since he was the one who called Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and Garm bel Iblis together he could be considered the founder of the Rebel Alliance after sacrificing himself in an epic duel against both Vader and Palpatine so that the Rebel leaders could escape and form the Alliance together.