Why 2 diodes in series for full bridge rectifier

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of two diodes in series within a full bridge rectifier circuit, particularly in the context of tube audio amplifiers. Participants explore the reasoning behind this design choice, including safety considerations and voltage ratings.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of two diodes in series, suggesting it might be a safety measure or redundancy.
  • Another participant mentions the peak reverse voltage (PRV) exceeding the rating of a single diode, which could justify the use of two diodes.
  • A later reply discusses the importance of derating diodes based on temperature and leakage current, indicating that two diodes may be required under certain conditions.
  • Participants calculate the required PRV for the circuit, noting that the combined voltage across the diodes can reach significant levels during operation.
  • There is a consensus that the resistors in parallel with the capacitors serve to discharge the capacitors safely and help balance the voltage across capacitors in series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of two diodes in series, with some supporting the idea based on voltage ratings and others questioning it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive reason for this design choice.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific voltage ratings and conditions under which the diodes operate, highlighting the importance of considering temperature effects and leakage currents. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in determining the appropriate diode configuration.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in tube audio amplifier design, electrical engineering students, and hobbyists exploring rectifier circuits may find this discussion relevant.

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A friend of mine builds tube audio amplifiers for a hobby. Being an electrical engineer, who works exclusively with micro-electronics, I thought I might mess around in spice a bit to better understand some of the standard circuit topologies they use.

My friend is not an engineer so he doesn't really know the history or justification of many of the components so they typical answer to "why is this here?" is "because everybody does it that way."

Here is an example circuit very similar to what he is currently building:
http://www.electra-print.com/300bdrd.php

The second schematic on this page shows how to make a full bridge rectifier

One thing that looked odd to me was the two diodes in series on the rectifier.
I understand what the filtering caps and resistors in parallel to the diodes are for, but why put two diodes in series? Maybe it's a safety thing? I've seen redundancies like this in some battery circuits when there is concern of shorts. I also notice the 5V supply does not have them.
 
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One other quick question: Are the 390K resistors in parallel with the 220uF capacitors there to make sure the caps discharge in a safe way and in a reasonable amount of time when the circuit is turned off? I suspect they are there to dominate the internal leakage of the cap as the leakage is an uncontrolled parameter.
 
Are you referring to the full-wave center-tap rectifier circuit? The high voltage PRV (peak reverse voltage) exceeds the value of one diode, so two are used.

Bob S
 
Is that after derating? I looked at this datasheet for the 1N4007 and it lists the PRV at 1KV. I though this would be enough for a ~700V supply. I suppose it is not unreasonable for it to get ~60C and it if leaked 1uA we would have to derate by ~40% which would require two.

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/1N%2F1N4001.pdf

But definitely it makes sense. Thanks.
 
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The required PRV in that circuit is 2 x √2 x 570 volts.

Bob S
 
This shows the moment when the diodes are under most stress. When the transformer voltage reaches its negative peak ( of √2 times 570 V) and the capacitor input filter is charged up to the peak value ( of √2 times 570 V minus diode drops) then the two voltages combine across the diodes to give a value of about 1610 volts. Which is exactly what Bob S said.

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/full%20wave%20rectifier%20PIV.PNG

Yes, the 390 K resistors are there to discharge the capacitors after the power is turned off.
They also help to distribute the voltage equally between the capacitors which are in series.
 
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Thanks Guys, Somehow I totally forgot about the negative swing. It's pretty obvious now that I have it in spice. I should have run it before asking.
 

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