Why are less people taking higher edu phys?

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The discussion centers around the perceived decline in the number of students pursuing physics in further and higher education. Participants explore potential reasons for this trend, referencing statistics and personal experiences related to education and career choices in STEM fields.

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  • Some participants question the accuracy of the claim regarding the decline in physics enrollment, suggesting the need for supporting reports or statistics.
  • One participant references a specific report from the IoP and another provides a link to a news article that may relate to the topic.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of physics education, particularly the alarming statistic that a quarter of physics teachers do not hold a degree in the subject.
  • Some participants speculate that increased stress on non-technical subjects and a shift towards vocational training may contribute to the decline in physics interest.
  • There is a suggestion that students may be opting for engineering or chemistry due to better job prospects, with some participants expressing a personal connection to physics despite pursuing engineering for financial reasons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the decline in physics enrollment, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various statistics and reports, but the discussion lacks a unified framework for evaluating the claims made. There is also an acknowledgment of potential differences in trends between the UK and the US.

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why are the number of people taking physics at further and higher education decreasing? it was on the news. is there any particular reason, cause i think that's sad...
 
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Alias25,

Do you have any reports to back up this statement? I am not sure that it is true (not trying to say that what you are saying is false, I truly don't know).
I don't have time to search through this stuff right now but for the US there is this information:
http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/emptrends.html

I know you are in the UK, so there may be a significant difference in the numbers between the UK and the US, but my hunch is that there will not be. Just a hunch.

Oh yeah- don't believe everything you hear on the news or read in the papers. Do a little research and come to your own conclusions- it will make things much more meaningfull and concrete when evaluating the truthfulness of things.

Cheers,
Ryan
 
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I think he was referring to this: http://education.independent.co.uk/news/article328266.ece
 
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I can't really think of a reason for the decline at the moment. The part about a quarter of teachers not having a degree is pretty alarming, and that'a only going to get worse for the next few years it seems :(

Maybe it's got something to do with too much stress in earlier years now being put on stupid things like Key Skills, and a general drift away from technical subjects like Physics in favour of vocational ones (or so I've heard)?
 
The answer is real simple. Sadly, people are going into engineering or chemistry. There are more jobs for these professions. I'm a engineer and I'm realizing that I'm more of a physicist due to my insatiable curiosity. I realize that physicists don't do it for the money, but many engineers do engineering for the money.

Modey3
 
Engineer of what field, Modey?
 
but many engineers do engineering for the money.

I know when I get my job, I'll be doing it for the money ( of course I'm purposely omitting "I'm doing it for the love of it".) I'm making way too many sacrifices now > mentally, physically, emotionally, and socially. And for that, it better pay off in the long run.
 
I'm a Materials Engineer z-component.
 
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thanks....I had great physics teachers I guess I was lucky. that article says that there arn't many good qualified physics teachers in many schools.
 

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