Why are there few occupations for Chemical Engineering?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived disparity in job opportunities between chemical engineering (ChE) and electrical engineering (EE). Participants explore the implications of these figures, the scope of work for chemical engineers, and the factors influencing student enrollment in these fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at the significantly lower number of occupations for chemical engineers compared to electrical engineers, questioning whether this disparity is normal.
  • Others suggest that the number of chemical engineering students is lower, which may balance the job market, and that the field offers diverse employment opportunities beyond traditional roles.
  • One participant notes that chemical engineers can work in various industries, including environmental engineering and food processing, which may not be immediately recognized as chemical engineering roles.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential increase in competition for chemical engineering jobs due to rising student enrollment driven by salary prospects.
  • Some participants argue that the categorization of engineering roles may not reflect the actual overlap in skills and job functions between different engineering disciplines.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of job statistics, with some participants suggesting that the figures may be influenced by how data is collected and reported.
  • Questions are posed regarding the normalcy of the job ratio between ChE and EE, with some participants proposing alternative ratios based on their research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the job disparity between chemical and electrical engineering. There are multiple competing views regarding the implications of these figures and the nature of job opportunities in each field.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various job statistics from different sources, highlighting discrepancies in reported numbers. There is also mention of the influence of geographic distribution of industries on job availability.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering a major in engineering, particularly in chemical or electrical engineering, as well as professionals evaluating job market trends in these fields.

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So you would expect the number of students EE and ChE to have the same factor of 10. Is that not so?
 
Chemical engineers work on large scale chemical processes. When the petrochemical industry does well, these graduates can earn impressive salaries. However, a chemical engineer is also valuable for water and waste-water treatment, environmental engineering processes, food processing, and many other areas. I know one ChE who was employed by beer breweries.

The low number of actual jobs for a chemical engineer is often hidden by the many more places they can work that don't really look like chemical engineering. It is interesting work, and it pays quite well.
 
I totally agree with JakeBrodskyPE, Chemical engineers can work in a lot of places. I am a chemical student engineer and I can tell you that there are jobs, and even more jobs than students graduating from engineering schools.
So you can go through chemical engineering without feeling concerned.
 
The number of chemical engineering students is also far lower than the amount in other disciplines, so it kinda balances out.

But that said, I'm somewhat getting the impression that the amount of chemical engineering students is increasingly quite a bit in the last few years, mainly due to the salary, so things might get competitive. But I don't have any definitive numbers.
 
Chemical Engineers can work in a lot of places? You mean electrical engineers can't?

I'd actually say that any place that has a chemical engineer has to hire an electrical engineer, and if they have a big enough plant they will hire their own EE.

I don't think that every place that has X EE's needs to have Y CE's.
 
Almeisan makes a good point. I was educated as an electrical engineer. However, today I work as a control systems engineer.

At the end of the day, this is engineering. Engineers have a lot in common in their education and even more in common in their experience.

However, in the minds of bureaucratic pigeon hole counters, there is a slot marked Chemical Engineer. There is another slot marked Electrical Engineer. And there is a third slot marked Control System Engineer, which is some how also different from an Industrial Engineer. Read into that what you want. I don't think it means a whole lot.
 
What do you think is the difference in the occupation number ? I think 10 times is exaggeration, could the normal figure be 4-5 times more ?

For example maybe Electrical has 100 jobs while chemical has 25 jobs.

But 30-300 is very very abnormal. İs it true ?
 
In what way do you think it is abnormal and what is that based on?
 
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dodokoko said:
What do you think is the difference in the occupation number ? I think 10 times is exaggeration, could the normal figure be 4-5 times more ?

For example maybe Electrical has 100 jobs while chemical has 25 jobs.

But 30-300 is very very abnormal. İs it true ?

If you want an accurate answer then you will have to try and find the statistics yourself, although I don't see anything inherently "abnormal" about it.
 
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dodokoko said:
But 30-300 is very very abnormal. İs it true ?

This is data filled with lots of artifacts of how it was gathered. We are deep within Heisenberg's observation, which is to say that since the measurement is affected by the measurement methods and philosophies, it is really hard to discern much of anything.
 
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up ? İt is said that there are many chemical engineers who are working as environmental engineers, materials engineers or chemists.

İt is true ?

what is the scope of this engineering comparing with electrical or mechanical engineering ?
 
  • #13
There definitely are chemical engineering graduates working as materials engineers - my former employer used to hire them for it.

In terms of scope, I think mechanical and electrical are probably the broadest.
 
  • #14
What is the scope of ChE comparing with electrical or mechanical engineering ?

There are 100 jobs for chemical and 300 for electrical.

is that a normal proportion ?
 
  • #15
You haven't explained why you're so concerned with these distributions. Are you using this data to decide which field to study? Are you using this data to decide which one would be more likely to make more money? Are you using this data to determine whether you can afford the education you want?

The truth is that almost any engineering degree is a safe bet for future employment. Furthermore, you will probably take home a solid middle class salary from your very first job. Some fields are slightly more common than others, but the ones that aren't common may make more money.

So whether you chose Chemical or Electrical Engineering, you almost can't go wrong. If you can afford either one of these, you'll probably do well. Naturally, there are no guarantees. My prognostications about the market could be a sick joke by the time you graduate. But historically, that's how it has been.
 
  • #16
dodokoko said:
What is the scope of ChE comparing with electrical or mechanical engineering ?

There are 100 jobs for chemical and 300 for electrical.

is that a normal proportion ?
You mean 30:300.

There is no such issue as "normal" here. Reality just is what it is. Electrical (and mechanical) is more general and chemical engineering more specialized. That's most of why there is a difference, though the distribution of industries will not be the same in all geographic areas.
 
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I think it is not normal, unlike you said. Because a have searched jobs on indeed.com and there are 60.000 EE jobs and 21.000 ChE jobs.

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+engineering&l=

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=chemical+engineering&l=

Which is true ?
 
  • #18
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  • #19
dodokoko said:
I think it is not normal, unlike you said. Because a have searched jobs on indeed.com and there are 60.000 EE jobs and 21.000 ChE jobs.

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+engineering&l=

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=chemical+engineering&l=

Which is true ?

That's probably true, yes.
 

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