Why Are There So Few Quantum Time Machine Models?

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The discussion revolves around the scarcity of quantum physics-based time machine models compared to those derived from general relativity. Participants explore the potential for quantum mechanics to support time travel concepts and question the reasons behind the limited development of such models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while there are many time machine models based on general relativity, there are few based on quantum physics, despite suggestions that quantum mechanics might allow for time travel without closed timelike curves.
  • One participant humorously suggests that quantum physicists may prioritize other research over time travel models.
  • Another participant questions the promise of quantum time travel, labeling the concept as "horse manure."
  • There are references to Seth Lloyd's work from 2010, which discusses potential quantum mechanisms for time travel, including tunneling.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of actual time travel, challenging the validity of claims made by notable physicists like Kip Thorne.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea of quantum time travel and others dismissing it as implausible. There is no consensus on the validity or potential of quantum physics-based time machine models.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and general relativity, and there are unresolved questions regarding the feasibility and implications of proposed models.

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As of today, there are plenty of time machine mathematical models based on general relativity theory (warp drives, wormholes), but few ones based on quantum physics. However, back in 2010, Seth Lloyd wrote: "quantum mechanics supports a variety of counter-intuitive phenomena which might allow time travel even in the absence of a closed timelike curve in the geometry of spacetime."
So, why are there so few quantum physics based time machine models if they may be promising?
Thanks.
 
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Perhaps most quantum physicists have better things to spend time on?
 
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But once they invent a time machine, they'll have all the time they want.
 
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avpol said:
So, why are there so few quantum physics based time machine models if they may be promising?
Promising for what? Actual time travel? The technical term for that concept is "horse manure"
 
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avpol said:
As of today, there are plenty of time machine mathematical models based on general relativity theory (warp drives, wormholes), but few ones based on quantum physics. However, back in 2010, Seth Lloyd wrote: "quantum mechanics supports a variety of counter-intuitive phenomena which might allow time travel even in the absence of a closed timelike curve in the geometry of spacetime."
So, why are there so few quantum physics based time machine models if they may be promising?
Thanks.
Can you point to some of those few models.
 
avpol said:
However, back in 2010, Seth Lloyd wrote….
Link or other citation?
 
Nugatory said:
Link or other citation?
Yeah I got sucked in. Here you go (from 2010):
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1007.2615
For the OP: their answer seems to be that absent Closed Timelike Curves somehow tunneling will will get you there. That's not a lot to go on...which answers your question I believe/
 
scientists avoid publishing research on this topic due to fear of the Time Police
 
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BWV said:
due to fear of the Time Police
Not to worry, they are way too busy chasing Time Bandits to bother with the scientists...

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https://www.indiewire.com/2018/07/time-bandits-tv-series-apple-terry-gilliam-1201988626/
 
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hutchphd said:
Yeah I got sucked in. Here you go (from 2010):
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1007.2615
For the OP: their answer seems to be that absent Closed Timelike Curves somehow tunneling will will get you there. That's not a lot to go on...which answers your question I believe/
Thanks! He wrote about "a number of ways." Tunneling is just one of them:-).
 
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martinbn said:
Can you point to some of those few models.
Quantum physics based models? Seth's one, for example.
 
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phinds said:
Promising for what? Actual time travel? The technical term for that concept is "horse manure"
Say it to Mr. Thorne, recent Nobel Laureate;-). That his opinions are horse manure.
 
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<sigh>
 
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avpol said:
Say it to Mr. Thorne, recent Nobel Laureate;-). That his opinions are horse manure.
If you think that Kip Thorne believes anyone is going to build an actual time machine based on the wormhole metrics he has published, you are seriously mistaken.

(Also, his Nobel Prize was for LIGO, not for time travel.)

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