Why can monotone functions only have jump discontinuities?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of monotone functions and their discontinuities, specifically addressing why such functions can only exhibit jump discontinuities. Participants explore intuitive understandings and counterexamples, including functions with ranges restricted to rational or irrational numbers, and reference specific functions like Conway's base 13 function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the intuition behind monotone functions having only jump discontinuities, suggesting the possibility of an increasing function consisting of scattered points.
  • Another participant asserts that it is indeed possible to have a monotone function with a range limited to rational or irrational numbers, and emphasizes that all discontinuities in such functions are jump discontinuities.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of one-sided limits for functions that are discontinuous everywhere, with a participant referencing a theorem regarding the non-existence of one-sided limits in such cases.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the countability of jump discontinuities, noting that their described function would be discontinuous across the entire real line.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on the possibility of a monotone function whose range contains only irrational numbers within a specific interval.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of monotone functions and their discontinuities, with no consensus reached on the specific characteristics or examples of such functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theorems and properties related to discontinuities and monotonicity, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these properties for specific functions.

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I'm trying to understand why monotone functions can only have jump discontinuities. I've seen formal proofs, but I don't find them intuitively convincing; my imagination can still conceive of an increasing function which is just a bunch of scattered points. To take a simple case, why can't you have a monotone function whose range only contains rational numbers, or only contains irrational numbers?

Or to take a more complicated case, Conway's base 13 function satisfies the conclusion of the intermediate value theorem even though it is nowhere continuous. Is there some kind of operation which "pushes up points" on the graph of this function which would make it increasing?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
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lugita15 said:
I'm trying to understand why monotone functions can only have jump discontinuities. I've seen formal proofs, but I don't find them intuitively convincing; my imagination can still conceive of an increasing function which is just a bunch of scattered points. To take a simple case, why can't you have a monotone function whose range only contains rational numbers, or only contains irrational numbers?
You can. And all discontinuities are jump discontinuities.

Or to take a more complicated case, Conway's base 13 function satisfies the conclusion of the intermediate value theorem even though it is nowhere continuous. Is there some kind of operation which "pushes up points" on the graph of this function which would make it increasing?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can. And all discontinuities are jump discontinuities.
I thought a jump discontinuity occurs when both one-sided limits occur, but are unequal. It seems like for the function I'm describing, one-sided limits would not exist anywhere. Isn't there some theorem to the effect that, if f is discontinuous everywhere on some interval containing a, then the one-sided limits of f(x) as x goes to a cannot exist?

Also, I thought a function can only have countably many jump discontinuities, while the function I'm describing would be discontinuous over the entire real line.
 
OK, I just realized that my description of the function wasn't what I intended. So let me restate my question in this way: why can't you have a monotone function whose range contains only irrational numbers and contains all the irrational numbers in some interval (a,b)?
 

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