News Why Did Americans Elect Bush as Their President?

[RageSk8]

This topic is almost as dumb as George W. Bush.

 

[Siv]

That Dubya is not the smartest of Presidents is no secret. That this war is a totally unnecessary and stupid one is also no secret.
I supported the Afghan war 200%. That was necessary.
I am totally against this one. This is just mindless bullying.

But Zargawee probably forgets that Bush was not elected President. So there are a lot of intelligent rational Americans out there who are totally against this war and some other such silly decisions made by Dubya.
What is probably hard for the Americans (and maybe the British) to understand is that this war sets a very very dangerous precedent. It gives the US the right to attack whoever it chooses to tomorrow, if that country irritates the US or has to be done away with for whatever selfish interests the US might have at that moment. It scares the **** out of all of us, esp the third world countries. And rightly so.

- S.

 

[Another God]

Originally posted by Njorl
No, Americans are not "dumbs". I imagine that we are pretty much of average intelligence.

Here's a little understood fact:

Very nearly exactly 50% of all americans are below average intelligence.

 

[kat]

Originally posted by Another God
Here's a little understood fact:

Very nearly exactly 50% of all americans are below average intelligence.

being the cup half full type I prefer the other little understood fact:

Very nearly exactly 50% of all americans are above average intelligence.

 

[bogdan]

Are Americans dumb ? YES.
Are Iraqis dumb ? YES.
Are Germans dumb ? YES.
Are French dumb ? YES.
Are Russians dumb ? YES.
Are Romanians dumb ? YES.
Are Jordanians dumb ? YES.
Are HUMANS dumb ? YES.
We are all dumb because we can't find a better way to mantain peace...
But...until someone will have a better idea...I guess war is suitable in this context...because : 'He who wants peace must prepare for war...'

 

[LURCH]

Originally posted by Zargawee

Let me point to something , most of Arabs are Muslims , and the muslim look to life that it worths nothing , so it doesn't matter for us ( Muslims ) to live rich or poor , becuase eventually we are going to die , and what will we get from this life with us ? For You , a dead person gets nothing with him/her , but we muslims believe that a person actions in life is what he takes with him to the afterworld.
we DO NOT care for life.

Ever since the Trade Center Massacre, I have been trying to avoid this very conclusion, that Muslims place no value on human life. And now a Muslim is telling me that it is correct! I am still reluctant to believe it. I am going to try to spend some time in a Muslim chatroom this weekend, to see if I can't find Muslims of the opposite opinion. This is a major blow to my attempt to see Muslims as people, capable of civilised behavior and able to be reasoned with.

Could it be true that they really are all a bunch of cold-blooded murderers? It would make me very sad to have to believe that.

 

[kyleb]

i am prety sure he is referring to their own lives, in the sense that good Muslim is not afraid of death.

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by Siv
But Zargawee probably forgets that Bush was not elected President. So there are a lot of intelligent rational Americans out there who are totally against this war and some other such silly decisions made by Dubya.

i absolutely agree with this Siv...i found it funny that Bush stated that the oil fires would be considered a war crime (someone correct me if i am wrong in this claim, i heard it on public radio)...i don't think Americans are dumb, but some can be ignorant...and in our country this is more of a choice because of our freedoms...

as an American, not only do we have many freedoms, but also i think we have an (unspoken) obligation to educate ourselves and get involved with our government instead of letting an elite *minority* lead us...

 

[damgo]

Lurch, it's got nothing to do with Islam. Fundamentalism of any stripe always places little value on one's own life.

Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yea, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
-Luke 14:25-27

 

[kyleb]

wonder if the people who think such ideology is wrong would consider that justification to nail a man to a cross?

 

[russ_watters]

Ever since the Trade Center Massacre, I have been trying to avoid this very conclusion, that Muslims place no value on human life. And now a Muslim is telling me that it is correct!

Wow. I have the same dilemna. Even after reading it I still won't accept it. I have too much faith in the human species. Maybe they are just confused or brainwashed?

i am prety sure he is referring to their own lives, in the sense that good Muslim is not afraid of death.

How can a person who doesn't even value his OWN life place any value on the life of others?

 

[kyleb]

Originally posted by russ_watters
How can a person who doesn't even value his OWN life place any value on the life of others?

you have to give up being self-centered for a start.

 

[russ_watters]

you have to give up being self-centered for a start.

Ok, so only non-humans can be muslims? Sorry, but the PRIMARY instinct of all humans is selfishness.

 

[Nicool003]

This topic is almost as dumb as George W. Bush.

He is not nearly as dumb as that post Rage

 

[Njorl]

One Muslim does not speak for all Muslims. I'm sure many of my fellow Americans are glad one American (say me for instance) does not speak for all Americans.

I think I speak for all Americans when I say this.

Njorl

 

[Nicool003]

Hehe tricky one there Njorl

 

[LURCH]

Before jumping to any conclusions, I went to one of my own dead topics and tried to change the Title. I thought I had succeded, the title changed in the window I was viewing, but when I went back the next day, the topic still had the old title. (Just so nobody thinks Zargawee is diliberately keeping this offensive title after saying he had changed it).

Fess up now, people...I can't be the only one who went and tried this, right? But for those who haven't tried to do it yourself, I just thought the results should be stated here in public view.

 

[kyleb]

i assumed as much but thanks for the validation LURCH.

 

[eNtRopY]

anti-Zargawee not anti-Iraq

You know... Zargawee is a genuine @sshole.

I'm not even including this thread. Hell, I know I don't support the war... let alone any war. I'm talking about his complete disrespect for women.

He has made it clear on several occasions that he views women as being inferior to men. He has made comments alluding to the fact that he considers women who have premarital sex to be whores.

This is not an uncommon view for Muslim men to have. Many of them violently control their women, and give them no freedom to make their own choices. In America, we call that a violation of civil rights.

Let's ask him a few questions, directly:

1) Zargawee, if you were in love with a woman, and you asked her to marry you, but later you found out she was not a virgin, would you dump her?

2) Zargawee, if you were in love with a woman, and you asked her to marry you, but later you found out she had been raped, would you dump her?

3) Zargawee, if you were in love with a woman, and you asked her to marry you, but later you had premarital sex with her, would you dump her?

4) If you broke off a relationship because of questions 1, 2 or 3, would you resort to violence?

5) Do you feel that if you broke off a relationship because of questions 1, 2 or 3, your responsive actions would be justified by your god?

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying we should bomb Muslims because they are insecure with themselves and their small members. I don't think we should bomb them at all. I just wanted to point out the fact that whether or not he meant to offend us by posting that we Americans are collective morons, Zargawee is still an @sshole.

eNtRopY

 

[Alias]

OUCH!

That was sort of like the Third Mechanized Division just rolled into this thread.



(Alias makes mental note to self: Play nice with the ladies!)

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

This topic is way overdone. Move on.