Why did the pipe start to rotate when released?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a steel pipe when it is swung in a circular motion and then released. Participants explore the reasons behind the pipe's immediate rotation upon release, examining concepts related to angular momentum and velocity. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to rotational dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the leading edge of the pipe has a higher velocity than the trailing edge, suggesting a smooth transition in velocity contributes to the pipe's rotation.
  • Another participant explains that the pipe retains its angular momentum from the swinging motion, requiring a countering torque to stop the rotation.
  • A participant emphasizes that the pipe continues to rotate as it was already spinning when released, visualizing the motion from an overhead perspective.
  • One participant expresses understanding of angular momentum and its implications for the pipe's motion, indicating a grasp of the concepts discussed.
  • A question is raised regarding the definition of the radius (r) in the context of angular momentum as the pipe flies off, seeking clarification on its application in this scenario.
  • A response clarifies that the angular momentum of the pipe can be considered as the sum of its angular momentum about its center of mass and about the origin, addressing the complexity of the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of angular momentum in the pipe's rotation upon release, but there are varying interpretations and clarifications regarding the specifics of angular momentum and the radius involved in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact definition of the radius in the context of angular momentum when the pipe is released, indicating a need for further exploration of the topic.

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I attached a string to the center point of one end of a 2 foot length of steel pipe, and then while holding the loose end of the string overhead I swung the pipe in a circle. When I released the string the pipe flew off in a straight line as I expected, but what I didn't expect was, the pipe instantly began to rotate in the same direction (counter clockwise) that I was spinning it in before I released the string.
I had expected the pipe to fly off in a straight line with no rotation just as an arrow would fly through the air.
Why did the pipe immediately begin to rotate when I released the string?
 
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The leading/outer edge of the pipe has a higher velocity in that direction than the trailing edge. There is of course a smooth transition in velocity from the leading edge to the trailing edge (it reduces).
 
The pipe already had angular momentum, equal to the rate that it was being spun at. It simply continued to retain this angular momentum once it was released. To stop this angular velocity, a countering torque force would be required.
 
Timoothy said:
Why did the pipe immediately begin to rotate when I released the string?
It was rotating when you were swinging it, so it just kept rotating. (Imagine someone viewing the circling pipe from above--they would clearly see the pipe rotating about its center in addition to rotating about you.)

Note that the center of mass of the pipe will fly off in a straight line (subject to gravity, of course).
 
dst said:
The leading/outer edge of the pipe has a higher velocity in that direction than the trailing edge. There is of course a smooth transition in velocity from the leading edge to the trailing edge (it reduces).


So that's angular momentum. Well I'm tickled pink, that actually makes sense to me, and I can imagine that smooth transition in velocity as I visualize the pipe rotating through the air.

Thank you both for your clear explanations :-)
 
I have a question .

From mvr, we can see that while you are swinging the pipe, the pipe has an angular momentum of m * v * r, where r is the center of mass of the pipe to your hand. So, While it flies off, what is that r again in this case??
 
If the pipe were a point mass (and thus not spinning about its axis) it would have an angular momentum about the person equal to [itex]\vec{r}\times m\vec{v} = mvr\sin\theta[/itex]. R is the position vector describing the location of the "pipe" with respect to the origin. Once the pipe flies off (ignoring gravity) that angular momentum doesn't change.

The total angular momentum of the spinning pipe is the sum of (1) The angular momentum of its center of mass about the origin, and (2) the angular momentum of the pipe about its center of mass. (Your comment only addressed the first piece.)
 

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