Why Do Different Integration Orders Give Different Results in Double Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid defined under the surface z = xy and above a triangle with specified vertices. The problem involves evaluating double integrals using different orders of integration, referred to as Type 1 and Type 2 integrals.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of double integrals and the discrepancies in results when using different integration orders. There are attempts to clarify the notation and the equations of the lines defining the triangle. Questions are raised about the correctness of the equations and the implications of missing notation in the integrals.

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Some participants have identified potential errors in the setup of the integrals and have provided guidance on clarifying notation. There is acknowledgment of the need for explicit integral notation, and one participant has corrected their equation for the line after receiving feedback.

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There is mention of non-standard terminology regarding Type 1 and Type 2 integrals, which may lead to confusion. Participants are also addressing the importance of including differential notation in their integrals.

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Homework Statement


Find the volume of the given solid:
Under the surface z = xy and above the triangle with verticies (1,1), (4,1) and (1,.2)

Homework Equations


Double Integral

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew the triangle, and found the the equations of the lines to be:
x = 1;
y = 1;
y = -3x + 7

My issue is, I get different answers when solving using Type 1 and Type 2. Type two gives the right answer, however Type 1 does not. I have also put my Type 1 into a solver and it also gives the wrong answer. So the error must be in the setup and not my integration, but I can't see it.

Type 2:
\int_1^2 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy = \frac{31}{8}

Type 1:
\int_1^4 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy = \frac{207}{8}
 
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First of all, be explicit with your integral notation and your dx, dy. (I don't know if there is are standard meanings for "Type 1" and "Type 2" integrals.)
Second, do you mean the third vertex of the triangle is (1, 2)? If so, then check your equation for the line by plugging in some points...
 
Oh shoot, wow. I realized that I used some illegal algebra which resulted in the wrong equation for the line! The equation of the line is actually supposed to be y = -\frac{1}{3}x + \frac{7}{3} . Now I am getting the right answer. Thanks for questioning my equation.
 
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dlacombe13 said:

Homework Statement


Find the volume of the given solid:
Under the surface z = xy and above the triangle with verticies (1,1), (4,1) and (1,.2)

Homework Equations


Double Integral

The Attempt at a Solution


I drew the triangle, and found the the equations of the lines to be:
x = 1;
y = 1;
y = -3x + 7

My issue is, I get different answers when solving using Type 1 and Type 2. Type two gives the right answer, however Type 1 does not. I have also put my Type 1 into a solver and it also gives the wrong answer. So the error must be in the setup and not my integration, but I can't see it.

Type 2:
\int_1^2 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy = \frac{31}{8}

Type 1:
\int_1^4 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy = \frac{207}{8}
I agree with both points olivermsum made. First, "Type 1" and "Type 2" aren't standard attributes, so these should have been explained.
Second, your integrals are missing the dx and dy parts.
From this -- \int_1^2 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy = \frac{31}{8} -- we can infer that you really mean this:
\int_1^2 \int_1^{-3x+7} xy dy dx= \frac{31}{8}, but only because the lower limit of integration for the inner integral suggests that x is the variable for that integral.
To be really explicit, you can do this:
\int_{x = 1}^2 \int_{y = 1}^{-3x+7} xy ~dy ~dx = \frac{31}{8}
 

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