Electrons and electromagnetic radiation.

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SUMMARY

This discussion centers on the behavior of electrons and their role in generating electromagnetic radiation. It distinguishes between valence electrons and tightly bound electrons, while addressing misconceptions about electron transitions and photon emission. The conversation highlights that light is emitted when electrons transition between energy levels, with the frequency of emitted photons determined by the energy difference between these levels. Additionally, it clarifies that radioactive substances emit gamma rays through nuclear processes rather than electron orbital transitions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electron configurations and orbitals
  • Familiarity with electromagnetic radiation principles
  • Knowledge of photon energy and frequency relationships
  • Basic concepts of nuclear physics and radioactivity
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  • Study quantum mechanics and electron transitions in detail
  • Learn about the principles of electromagnetic radiation generation
  • Explore the differences between nuclear and chemical energy
  • Investigate the mechanisms of gamma ray emission in radioactive materials
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Students of physics, educators in the field of electromagnetism, and professionals in nuclear science will benefit from this discussion, particularly those interested in the interactions between electrons and electromagnetic radiation.

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Well, first of all, there are two ''kinds'' of electrons,correct? Valence, the ones furthest from the nucleus of the atom, and ''regular'', the ones most tightly bound to the nucleus. Light is generated as electrons ''spin'' in their orbitals, so if light is made when an electron is in a higher orbital, because it came in contact with another particle, it absorbed the energy of that particle and the electrons gained an orbital. Electrons can't stay in this exited state forever, and when they return from the exited state into a normal orbital, they emit photons. The frequency of the photon depends on the ''height'' the electrons fell from. If it occupied a very high orbital, the photon it emits will have a higher frequency, if it was a lower orbital (but still exited) the photon would have a lower frequency. The questions here are
-How does coming into contact with another photon make the electrons basically jump?
-If all matter has electrons ''spinning", all matter emits radiation in one of the wavelengths, but in order for the matter to emit higher frequency photons, it must come in contact with a a photon of higher energy? In shorter words, if and object was hit by gamma rays, the object would have its electrons exited to a state that once they fall they emit gamma rays?
-How do radioactive substances emit gamma rays, if they being unstable has nothing to do with electron orbitals?
 
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LogicalAcid said:
-How do radioactive substances emit gamma rays, if they being unstable has nothing to do with electron orbitals?
Electron orbitals represent chemical energy, like TNT. Gamma rays and radioactivity represent nuclear energy, like nuclear weapons.
Bob S
 
LogicalAcid said:
Well, first of all, there are two ''kinds'' of electrons,correct? Valence, the ones furthest from the nucleus of the atom, and ''regular'', the ones most tightly bound to the nucleus.

Er... just "two"? What about free electrons? Or what about electrons that have form pairs? This is a rather strange categorization of electrons.

Light is generated as electrons ''spin'' in their orbitals

Incorrect. An electron in an orbital does NOT radiate. Those are stable orbits and do not radiate. Please read our FAQ in the General Physics forum.

, so if light is made when an electron is in a higher orbital, because it came in contact with another particle, it absorbed the energy of that particle and the electrons gained an orbital.

There's so many things wrong with this. Light can be produced during an transition that follows the selection rule. It doesn't have to "come in contact" with other particles.

Electrons can't stay in this exited state forever, and when they return from the exited state into a normal orbital, they emit photons. The frequency of the photon depends on the ''height'' the electrons fell from. If it occupied a very high orbital, the photon it emits will have a higher frequency, if it was a lower orbital (but still exited) the photon would have a lower frequency. The questions here are
-How does coming into contact with another photon make the electrons basically jump?
-If all matter has electrons ''spinning", all matter emits radiation in one of the wavelengths, but in order for the matter to emit higher frequency photons, it must come in contact with a a photon of higher energy? In shorter words, if and object was hit by gamma rays, the object would have its electrons exited to a state that once they fall they emit gamma rays?
-How do radioactive substances emit gamma rays, if they being unstable has nothing to do with electron orbitals?

I have no idea where to start.

Note that just in case you are unaware of this, light can also be made NOT using atoms. Radio waves are generated out of antennas that have oscillating currents. Light sources at various synchrotron centers make light by oscillating bunches of electrons.

Zz.
 

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