Why do nuclei like Uranium and Thorium have such long half lives?

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The discussion centers on the long half-lives of uranium and thorium compared to other heavy elements, exploring the reasons behind their stability and the general trends in nuclear decay rates among isotopes. The scope includes theoretical considerations, nuclear physics, and comparisons among various isotopes.

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  • Some participants note that uranium (U) and thorium (Th) have significantly longer half-lives than other heavy elements, questioning the reasons for this stability.
  • Others suggest that nuclear shell effects and binding energies play a crucial role in determining half-lives, particularly in the context of the Geiger-Nuttall rule.
  • A participant highlights the trend of decreasing half-lives in elements heavier than lead, while arguing that uranium and thorium are exceptions to this trend.
  • Some contributions emphasize that beyond uranium, other decay modes such as fission become dominant, affecting the stability of heavier isotopes.
  • There is a discussion about specific isotopes and their half-lives, with some participants providing lists and comparing them to illustrate trends.
  • One participant challenges the classification of uranium and thorium as outliers, proposing that they represent a maximum in a broader pattern of half-lives among even and odd elements.
  • Corrections are made regarding the half-lives of certain plutonium isotopes, indicating ongoing debate about the stability of these isotopes compared to uranium and thorium.

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Participants express differing views on whether uranium and thorium are outliers in the context of half-lives, with some arguing they are extreme cases while others contend they are part of a larger trend. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the factors influencing nuclear stability.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of stability and half-life, as well as the potential for undiscovered isotopes that may alter the observed trends.

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Why is it that those atoms, with atomic numbers of 90 and 92 have much, much longer half lives than atoms like Radon, Radium, and Polonium? I do realize that atoms with even atomic numbers are more stable than ones with odd numbers, so it makes sense why atoms like astatine, actinium, and francium are really unstable, but why do elements 90 and 92 have half lives in the billions of years? No other unstable element, besides bismuth (but its really close to lead, so it makes sense why its almost stable) have such extraordinary lives. It seems like these two elements have some kind of a boost in stability - they don't follow the general trend towards instability at all.
 
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There are many isotopes with lifetimes of billion of years or even more.
If you compare isotopes with other isotopes nearby, nuclear shell effects become relevant.
 
One feature of α decay is so striking that it was noticed as long ago as 1911. Geiger and Nuttall noticed that α emitters with large disintegration energies had short half-lives and conversely. The variation is astonishingly rapid. A factor of 2 in energy means a factor of 1024 in half-life! The theoretical explanation of this rule in 1920 was one of the first triumphs of quantum mechanics.

For more details, see the Wikipedia page on this.
 
I'm mainly talking about the general trend of half lives shortening in elements heavier than lead. They all decrease in a curve, with the exception of uranium and thorium. They're outliers. Why?
 
They're outliers. Why?
No, they're not outliers. But they are an extreme case. If you use the semi-empirical mass formula, you see a well-known trend, that in this part of the table, binding energies fall off with increasing A. As a result, Th-232 and U-238 have Q ≈ 4 MeV for alpha decay, and by the Geiger-Nuttall rule this implies a very long half-life. Beyond Uranium, nuclei are unstable for other decays such as fission, so U and Th are the last cases where the α-decay half-life dominates.
 
Bill_K said:
Beyond Uranium, nuclei are unstable for other decays such as fission, so U and Th are the last cases where the α-decay half-life dominates.
Most (or at least many, did not count all of them) transuranium element isotopes have alpha and beta decays as dominant modes.

I'm mainly talking about the general trend of half lives shortening in elements heavier than lead.
That is a general trend beyond uranium (and might be wrong if there is an island of stability beyond Z=118), but not between uranium and lead, see the chart of nuclides, for example.
 
Beyond Uranium, nuclei are unstable for other decays such as fission, so U and Th are the last cases where the α-decay half-life dominates.
Most (or at least many, did not count all of them) transuranium element isotopes have alpha and beta decays as dominant modes.
True, but misleading. The issue is, which isotopes? Here's a list of approximate half-lives:

Th-228 1 y
Th-230 104 y
Th-232 1010 y
Th-234 rapid β decay

U-234 105 y
U-236 107 y
U-238 109 y
U-240 rapid β decay

Pu-238 102 y
Pu-240 104 y
Pu-242 105 y
Pu-244 rapid β decay

My point is that Pu-244 and Pu-246 would have continued the long half-life trend, but the β decay instability took over.
 
Bill_K said:
Pu-242 105 y
Pu-244 rapid β decay

My point is that Pu-244 and Pu-246 would have continued the long half-life trend, but the β decay instability took over.

Manifestly false!
Pu-244 108 y!

Pu-246 does have rapid beta decay (10 days)

But elements 90 and 92 are not "outliers". They are the tip of a sizable maximum.

Looking at even elements:
82 - stable
84 - 103 years
86 - 3,8 days

but that was the minimum, next

88 - 1600 years
90 - 14 milliard years
92 - 4,5 milliard years

But the maximum goes on:

94 - 82 million years
96 - 16 million years

Then falling deeper:
98 - 900 years (still longer than 84)
100 - 100 days - but existence of other isotopes possible

Odd elements have a similar pattern:

81 - stable
83 - 1019 years
85 - 8 hours
87 - 22 minutes

And again a rise to a maximum:

89 - 21 years
91 - 32 000 years
93 - 2,1 million years

And then a (slower) fall:

95 - 7400 years
97 - 1400 years
99 - 470 days
 
Pu-244 rapid β decay
Manifestly false! Pu-244 108 y!
Sorry Snorkack, I stand corrected. I hope I didn't upset you too much. :wink:
 

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