Why do plastic containers deform in hot temperatures?

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The discussion centers around the deformation of plastic containers, specifically a Gatorade bottle and a gasoline container, when exposed to hot temperatures. Participants explore the physical principles behind this phenomenon, including the behavior of air and plastic under heat, and the implications of venting in gasoline containers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes how heating the air inside a plastic bottle causes it to expand, leading to a vacuum effect when the bottle is sealed and the air cools, resulting in deformation.
  • Another participant suggests that the deformation of the gasoline container may be due to the sun heating the plastic, making it more flexible, which allows for deformation despite the expansion of air and gasoline inside.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of a non-vented gasoline container, with speculation that pressure could build up under extreme heat, potentially leading to failure.
  • There is a contradiction noted regarding the expected behavior of materials under heat, with one participant questioning how a container could contract when heated, suggesting that the deformation might be more complex than simple expansion or contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the deformation of the gasoline container and the implications of venting. There is no consensus on the exact reasons for the observed behaviors, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the safety of non-vented containers.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their explanations, including a lack of formal definitions and the complexity of the interactions between heat, air, and material properties. There are also unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which deformation occurs.

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I have a plastic Gatorade type bottle that I reuse. Between uses, I fill it with hot water and shake, and then empty it. Once I empty it, if I put the lid on and wait, the bottle eventually deforms and sucks in on itself. Then when I remove the lid it returns to normal. Why does it deform?
Is it the same reason my red plastic gasoline container deforms when its left out in the summer heat all day? Does hot air take up less volume than cool air?
 
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Well my explanation won't contain any type of formulas or even a good example. But as far as I know anything hot expands and anything cold contracts except in an event of a change of state for example liquid to solid or vise versa. So given that there is no change of state and that the air in the bottle is heated by the hot water that was previously there and the warm plastic, this air will expand farther than cold air. Some of the air is actually forced out of the bottle due to this expansion and therefore when you close the bottle with the hot air still in there, as it cools it takes up less space forming a sort of small vacuum effect on the bottle. That would be the layman explanation from a layman though.

As far as the gasoline container, I wouldn't think that would be the same case however as you do not want to pressurize gasoline by having it completely sealed. There is always venting on gasoline cans to prevent vapors from building up. It's probably more than likely a deformation of the plastic due to the sun.
 
mistercrowley said:
Well my explanation won't contain any type of formulas or even a good example. But as far as I know anything hot expands and anything cold contracts except in an event of a change of state for example liquid to solid or vise versa. So given that there is no change of state and that the air in the bottle is heated by the hot water that was previously there and the warm plastic, this air will expand farther than cold air. Some of the air is actually forced out of the bottle due to this expansion and therefore when you close the bottle with the hot air still in there, as it cools it takes up less space forming a sort of small vacuum effect on the bottle. That would be the layman explanation from a layman though.

As far as the gasoline container, I wouldn't think that would be the same case however as you do not want to pressurize gasoline by having it completely sealed. There is always venting on gasoline cans to prevent vapors from building up. It's probably more than likely a deformation of the plastic due to the sun.


About the gas can, when I remove the spout, air rushes in and the container returns to normal shape, just like the plastic bottle. Apparently this gas can does not have a vent. Is that dangerous, a gas can with no venting?
 
Well, doesn't sound like it is vented well. Perhaps this could explain it though. Although it sounds contradictory that the plastic gas can would actually contract due to the heat of the sun when I mentioned before that things expand. But what happens is as the sun heats up the plastic, the molecules in the walls of the gas container expand making it more flexible and elastic, this weaker bond allows the gas container to deform.

It actually seems kind of strange that the gas container would contract in the heat itself as if it is not vented correctly the warmer air and gasoline should expand due to heat. Perhaps it is that it is bulging on the sides and therefore deforming in height so while the gasoline can appears to be smaller and contracted, the force of the expanded vapors are actually pushing against the side walls of the container more. When you vent the container maybe then that hot air escapes and the bulge on the sides of the container are removed allowing the container to return to it's normal shape. Might need some clarification on this from someone more knowledgeable.

As far as dangerous, perhaps under extreme heat for long periods of time the pressure could build up enough for the container to fail in some way. I guess I shouldn't say there are always venting caps on gasoline containers, although there probably should be, there are some of containers out there that do not vent. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless perhaps you are somewhere in the Arizona desert and leave a fairly full, non-vented, container of gasoline out in the hot, 115 degree heat for the day.
 
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