Why Does a Block Lose Contact with a Frictionless Sphere?

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The problem involves a block sliding from the top of a frictionless sphere and determining the height at which it loses contact with the sphere. The context is rooted in classical mechanics, specifically dealing with forces, energy conservation, and motion on curved surfaces.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angle of velocity, normal force, and the conditions for losing contact. Various expressions for velocity and trigonometric relationships are explored, with some participants attempting to equate different forms of cosine derived from geometry and energy conservation.

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a small block slides from rest from the top of a frictionless sphere of radius R, how far below the top x does it lose contact with the sphere? the sphere doesn't move.
the question is from kleppner's in troduction to mechanics page 196 problem 4.6. (my scanner doesn't work so i can't scan the picture).

anyway, x is the displacement from when the block was on top the shpere up until where it loses contact with the sphere.

what i got so far is:
i calculated the tan of the angle of velocity, i got that tan(a)=sqrt(2Rx-x^2)/x and i got by energies that v^2=2xg and i know that v_y/v_x=tg(a) and v^2=v_y^2+v_x^2
and that v_y^2=xg, but after all that i didnt get the answer in the book, which is R/3.
can someone help me here?
thanks in advance.
 
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Loss of contact implies that the normal force N equals 0. Since N = mgcosA - mv^2/R, we have cosA = v^2/(Rg). Since you already found the velocity v for a displacement x, your problem is solved.
 
im having a problem here:
iv'e done the calclulation for v, v^2=2xg
and cos(a)=x/sqrt(2xR)
but then:
x/sqrt(2xR)=v^2/Rg=2xg/Rg=2x/R
x/2R=4x^2/R^2
Rx=8x^2
x=R/8
and according to my book the answer is R/3, where did i go wrong here?
 
someone can help me here?
any help is appreciated.
 
Find cos(a) in terms of x and R from what you've already found out[cos(a) = v^2/Rg] and then find what cos(a) is from the diagram (right triangle).Equate the two.
 
a is the angle of the velocity of the block, i found that:
cos(a)=x/sqrt(2xR)
bus as i said i don't get in the end the right answer, which is R/3.
 
angle of the velocity?

Take a look at radou's post. A is the angle bet. the vertical and the position at which the block falls off.
 
so how should i calculate the angle, i thought that my calclualtion was correct i.e cos(a)=x/sqrt(2xR)
how should i calculate the angle?
 
what did i do wrong here?
 
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\cos{a} = \frac{v^2}{Rg}

v^2 = 2gx - conservation of energy

Also, \cos{a} = \frac{R-x}{R} (from the right triangle)

Angle a is measured clockwise from the vertical two the point where the block loses contact.
 
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