Why does a constant force result in 0 torque in Barlow's wheel experiment?

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The discussion revolves around the Barlow's wheel experiment, specifically examining the relationship between constant force, torque, and angular acceleration. Participants explore the implications of a constant force on the motion of the wheel, questioning how torque can be present while angular acceleration remains zero.

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  • Participants discuss the effects of different forces on torque, with some attempting to reconcile the presence of torque with the condition of constant angular velocity. Questions arise regarding the nature of forces acting on the wheel and the assumptions about friction and acceleration.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering differing perspectives on the relationship between force, torque, and acceleration. Some guidance is provided regarding the implications of constant forces, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the results.

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There is an ongoing debate about the role of friction and the assumptions made regarding the forces acting on the wheel. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of torque in the context of the experiment.

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In the Barlow's wheel experiment, let's say I want to find the torque of the forces that affect it. (Friction is ignored)

I have W (weight) has no torque
R (reaction) also has no torque
F (the force that moves the wheel) does have torque

I can calculate F's torque individually.Now my question is, if I use ΣΓ = I*α, I'll get 0, because the angular acceleration is 0 since the angular velocity is constant.Why do I get 0 when I do have torque?
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ΣΓ = I*α

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Without friction, the wheel is constantly accelerating (unless your current breaks down at some unrealistic speed).
 
But alpha in this case is 0 because the velocity is constant, no?
 
Why do you expect the velocity to be constant in the absence of friction?
 
Because the force that's causing the velocity is constant? Neither the current, the radius or the magnetic field are changing.
 
Which force?
Without friction, you have an accelerating force (more precise: torque), so the wheel keeps accelerating.
 
I don't know what you call it in English. The F = I*L∧B force.

It's what's moving the wheel, and it's constant, and so the angular velocity is constant and the acceleration is 0, since the velocity isn't changing.
 
NooDota said:
It's what's moving the wheel, and it's constant, and so the angular velocity is constant and the acceleration is 0, since the velocity isn't changing.
No, a constant force leads to a constant acceleration.

What you actually need is the integral ##\int_0^L I B r dr## for the torque, but that follows the same rules.
 

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