Why Does a Metal Bar Move in a Magnetic Field?

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A metal bar on sloped rails moves upward when a voltage is applied, creating a current in the loop. The movement is attributed to the interaction between the magnetic field generated by the current and the gravitational force acting on the bar. Lenz's Law suggests that the induced current will oppose changes in magnetic flux, but the absence of an external magnetic field complicates the explanation of the bar's upward motion. Participants express confusion about how the bar moves upward despite the gravitational pull. The discussion highlights the need for a clearer understanding of the forces at play in this setup.
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Homework Statement


Can't seem to upload the figure in my workbook so I'll describe it. A metal bar is placed on 2 rails that slope up with a gradually increasing tangent. The bar has a higher conductivity than the rest of the apparatus. The 2 ends of the rails at the bottom are connected to a power supply. In the absence of any external magnetic field, a voltage was applied to produce a current in the loop. The bar gradually climbed the rails until eventually coming to rest. It was assumed that the gravitational force on the bar was equal to the magnetic force generated by the current.

I just want to know why the bar moves. none of the questions in the passage really address it.

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Faraday's law

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The only force I can think of is the one originating from the magnetic field from the current in the loop in which the metal bar is a part of but I don't think it can act on itself.

I tried to apply lenz's law but there is no External magnetic field to opposeEdit: I guess the attachment did go through
 

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Bengo said:

Homework Statement


Can't seem to upload the figure in my workbook so I'll describe it. A metal bar is placed on 2 rails that slope up with a gradually increasing tangent. The bar has a higher conductivity than the rest of the apparatus. The 2 ends of the rails at the bottom are connected to a power supply. In the absence of any external magnetic field, a voltage was applied to produce a current in the loop. The bar gradually climbed the rails until eventually coming to rest. It was assumed that the gravitational force on the bar was equal to the magnetic force generated by the current.

I just want to know why the bar moves. none of the questions in the passage really address it.

Homework Equations



Faraday's law

The Attempt at a Solution



The only force I can think of is the one originating from the magnetic field from the current in the loop in which the metal bar is a part of but I don't think it can act on itself.

I tried to apply lenz's law but there is no External magnetic field to oppose

Edit: I guess the attachment did go through
What is does Lenz's Law state?
 
SammyS said:
What is does Lenz's Law state?

It states that when there a change in the magnetic flux within a loop a current will be induced that opposes it.

If the loop starts out with no magnetic flux and then it gains magnetic flux from the emf I would think the bar would move in a way to decrease this flux but I don't know how that translates into it moving upwards
 
Bengo said:
It states that when there a change in the magnetic flux within a loop a current will be induced that opposes it.

If the loop starts out with no magnetic flux and then it gains magnetic flux from the emf I would think the bar would move in a way to decrease this flux but I don't know how that translates into it moving upwards
Yes, this is puzzling .

At first I thought that the conductivity might be the key. I don't see that as the case.
 
Maybe i left out some important info so I'll attach the passage
 

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I think you're misinterpreting this question. The bar falls due to gravity. XD

Lentz's law states that ##emf = \frac{d\phi}{dt} = \frac{d(\vec{B}\cdot \vec{A})}{dt} = emf = V = IR##
 
correction: it's -dphi/dt and the negative sign carrys through =/
 
I get that the bar falls due to gravity but It's still not clicking with me how lenz's law explains why the bar moves up in the absence of an external magnetic field. Thanks!
 
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