Why does charge produce magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the question of why a moving charge produces a magnetic field. Participants explore various theoretical frameworks, including classical laws and quantum field theory, while questioning the underlying reasons for these phenomena. The conversation encompasses both conceptual and technical aspects of electromagnetism.

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  • Some participants express curiosity about the fundamental reasons behind the association of moving charges with magnetic fields, suggesting that a deeper theoretical framework may be necessary.
  • One participant mentions that the existence of electromagnetism is an experimental result that satisfies Maxwell's equations, but the "why" remains unanswered.
  • Another participant highlights that classical observations, such as the Biot-Savart law, describe how magnetic fields are generated by charges or current densities.
  • There is a mention of the quantum field theory of the electroweak force, including the Higgs mechanism, as a framework that can derive the Maxwell equations and explain the magnetic field produced by moving charges.
  • Some participants note that there are multiple levels of explanation regarding why moving charges produce magnetic fields, indicating that deeper inquiries may lead to further questions rather than definitive answers.
  • A participant introduces the concept of force carriers, such as photons and W/Z bosons, as relevant to the forces between particles affected by the electroweak force.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship between moving charges and magnetic fields is an inevitable consequence of Coulomb's law and Newtonian relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the fundamental reasons behind the production of magnetic fields by moving charges. Multiple competing views and theories are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper "why" of electromagnetism.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of current theories and the need for further experimental validation. The conversation indicates that while there are established laws and theories, the foundational questions about why these laws exist remain open.

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Q : I always wondered why a moving charge is always associated with a magnetic field around it. I read that, if a charge moves with respect to something, then it produces magnetic field. During the spin of charges, they rotate with respect to themselves (Or perhaps space. Justify me). So, how do they produce, and what causes them to produce magnetic field? What's happening in and around the moving charge?
 
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Why do charges produce an electric field? ;)
It is unknown why electromagnetism (or, more general, the electroweak force) exists. But it has been observed that it exists and that it satisfies the Maxwell equations. These equations state that a moving charge produces a magnetic field.

This is independent of spin. You would get magnetic fields from charged particles without spin, too.
 
Yeah... a Charge moving in a space (not spinning), and moving along in the same direction on and on also produces magnetic field. Its right. But, my question is, why is it so?

I think there needs to be some theory proposed for this. Experiments should be done. That would help us more greater than the present experiments.
 
There is some theory. At the deepest level, this is the quantum field theory of the electroweak force. You can use this, add a symmetry breaking (Higgs mechanism), and you get the weak and the electromagnetic force. You can then proceed and derive an effective theory for the electromagnetic force. This produces the Maxwell equations. You can then use these equations and get as result that moving charges produce a magnetic field. This requires a lot of work, but it can be done and it has been done.

The remaining question is "why do we have the electroweak interaction with its broken symmetry"? And nobody knows the answer to this. It is just an experimental result. Maybe its existence follows from some deeper theory, which is not known at the moment. But this just adds another step of derivation.
 
mfb said:
There is some theory. At the deepest level, this is the quantum field theory of the electroweak force. You can use this, add a symmetry breaking (Higgs mechanism), and you get the weak and the electromagnetic force. You can then proceed and derive an effective theory for the electromagnetic force. This produces the Maxwell equations. You can then use these equations and get as result that moving charges produce a magnetic field. This requires a lot of work, but it can be done and it has been done.

The remaining question is "why do we have the electroweak interaction with its broken symmetry"? And nobody knows the answer to this. It is just an experimental result. Maybe its existence follows from some deeper theory, which is not known at the moment. But this just adds another step of derivation.


Excellent bro. I think soon we are going to find out this.

Kudos for your framework about this. Any way thank you all for this. I only get to know that its an undeveloped field yet. I think it has left some scope for me.
 
Classically, we observe that a magnetic field is generated according to the Biot-Savart law for both a single charge or a current density. This is something that's observed, a law of nature. So if you want to go deeper you eventually end up hitting a spot where you just have to concede that this is the way nature works and will continue to work. Why laws of nature are constant, though I hear some physicists argue they are not, is a whole new question.
 
There are two ways a magnetic field can be generated by a charge or current, both of which are contained in Maxwell's equation:
\nabla x \overrightarrow{H}=\sigma \overrightarrow{E}+\epsilon\frac{\partial \overrightarrow{E}}{\partial t}
where σ is conductivity and ε is permittivity.
 
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the concept of a photon/W/Z "cloud" which is the cause of the forces between particles affected by the electroweak force yet; i.e., force carriers.
 
sheshank said:
Yeah... a Charge moving in a space (not spinning), and moving along in the same direction on and on also produces magnetic field. Its right. But, my question is, why is it so?

I think there needs to be some theory proposed for this. Experiments should be done. That would help us more greater than the present experiments.

There is never a complete answer to this question. However deep you care to go in the 'why' direction, there is always another level so you will never get a satisfactory answer if that's what you want.
The other posts have shown you various levels of info about the fact that moving charges produce a magnetic field - take your pick as to the one that you feel is good enough for you as an explanation.
 
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hi sheshank! :smile:
sheshank said:
Q : I always wondered why a moving charge is always associated with a magnetic field around it.

it's an inevitable consequence of Coulomb's law and Newtonian relativity …

a uniformly moving charge is (obviously) a stationary charge in its own reference frame, and has a purely radial field that obeys Coulomb's law, F ~ 1/r2

if you graph how a particle moves in that frame, and then convert to the original frame, you'll see that in the original frame there appears to be (and therefore is) a velocity-dependent force :wink:
 

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