Why Does Fundamental Freq Have Largest Amplitude?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why the fundamental frequency typically exhibits the largest amplitude compared to higher harmonics in vibrating systems, particularly strings and pipes. It explores theoretical explanations, counterexamples, and related concepts of wave behavior.

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  • Some participants propose that the fundamental frequency dominates due to the shape of the string when plucked, which often results in a maximum at the fundamental mode in the Fourier Transform of the initial shape.
  • Others argue that the fundamental does not always have the largest amplitude, citing examples such as organ reed pipes where higher harmonics can dominate.
  • One participant mentions that the amplitude of harmonics is influenced by the stiffness and mass of the vibrating object, suggesting that lower frequency harmonics tend to have larger amplitudes due to lower stiffness.
  • There is a question raised about the apparent contradiction of standing waves being produced when two waves traveling in opposite directions should theoretically cancel each other out according to the superposition principle.
  • A later reply clarifies that the anti-phase condition occurs only at the terminations, and that the relative phases of incident and reflected waves vary with distance, leading to the formation of standing waves through superposition.

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Participants express differing views on whether the fundamental frequency always has the largest amplitude, with some providing counterexamples and others supporting the typical dominance of the fundamental. The discussion on standing waves also reveals a lack of consensus on the implications of wave superposition.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions of the vibrating medium, such as the method of excitation and the physical properties of the system, which may not be universally applicable.

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Please could somebody explain why the fundamental frequency always has the biggest amplitude in comparison to the rest of the harmonics?
 
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The reason that the fundamental usually dominates will be because of the shape of the string when plucked - the Fourier Transform of the initial shape will normally have a maximum at the fundamental mode. But it doesn't necessarily. You can excite a string with asymmetrical plucking at 1/4 and 3/4 along its length and get the first overtone dominating with no significant fundamental OR by placing a dampening finger, half way along a guitar string (or other places) you can get higher overtones (not exact harmonics unless the medium is ideal - but referred to by guitarists as harmonics - but they're not Physicists so it's OK for them)
 
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The fundamental doesn't always have the biggest amplitude.

For example see Fig 2 (page 6 of the PDF) in http://www.haskins.yale.edu/sr/SR111/sr111_23.pdf

Several counter-examples of organ reed pipes here: http://www.pykett.org.uk/reedpipetones.htm - e.g Fig 9 the 5th harmonic is loudest, followed by the 3rd.

The reason why lower frequency harmonics usually have bigger amplitudes than higher, is because of the basic equation for the frequency of a vibrating object, ##f = (1/2\pi)\sqrt{K/M}## where K and M measure the stiffness and mass of whatever is vibrating. Often, the amount of vibrating mass is about the same for all the harmonics, and the stiffness increases as the frequency increases. For a fixed amount of forrce, you get a bigger amplitude of vibration from a low stiffness (because displacement = stiffness / force), and so the low frequency harmonics tend to have bigger amplitudes.
 
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Don't they die out??

Two waves traveling in opposite direction should die out according to super position principle (Zero amplitude). Then how standing waves are produced? Is this not a contradiction? Please help. thank you.
 
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Two waves traveling in opposite direction should die out according to super position principle (Zero amplitude). Then how standing waves are produced? Is this not a contradiction? Please help. thank you.

The anti- phase condition only occurs right at the termination. The relative phases of incident and reflected wave vary with distance and superposition produces the standing wave.
 
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