Why Does Increasing the Cross-Sectional Area of a Wire Reduce Heat Dissipation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the cross-sectional area of a wire and heat dissipation in resistors, exploring the implications of Ohm's law and power dissipation equations in different circuit conditions. Participants examine whether increasing the cross-sectional area reduces heat dissipation and under what circumstances this holds true, considering both constant current and constant voltage scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that increasing the cross-sectional area decreases resistance, leading to a question about how this affects heat dissipation, given that current may also change.
  • Another participant argues that Ohm's law is not being applied correctly, emphasizing that decreasing resistance does not necessarily increase current unless voltage is fixed.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the relationship between current and resistance depends on whether the circuit is under constant current or constant voltage conditions, affecting power dissipation differently.
  • Some participants highlight that the effect of cross-sectional area on heat dissipation may only apply to wires with much smaller resistance compared to other circuit components.
  • There is a suggestion that the original question may be more of an algebra problem than a physics problem, indicating that the relationship between current and resistance needs to be clarified in the context of varying cross-sectional area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between cross-sectional area, resistance, current, and heat dissipation. There is no consensus on how these factors interact, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships in various circuit configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumptions about circuit conditions (constant current vs. constant voltage) significantly influence the discussion. The complexity of the relationships involved and the need for precise definitions are acknowledged but not resolved.

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The power dissipated in a resistor of resistance ##R## with current ##I## passing through it is ##I^2 R##. We can write ##R## as ##\rho \frac{L}{A}## where ##L## is the length of the wire and ##A## is the cross sectional area of the wire. Clearly, increasing ##A## decreases ##R##. Why is less heat dissipated in thicker wires, though? I thought changing the resistance of the wire changes the current passing through it as well. How can we guarantee from the equation ##P = \frac{\rho L I^2}{A}## that increasing ##A## decreases ##P##? Isn't ##I## functionally dependent on ##R##?
 
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You are not applying ohms law correctly. Given a current of 1 ampere through a resistor of 1 ohm will cause a dissipation of 1 watt. There will also be a voltage drop across the resistor of 1 volt. Nothing in ohms law says that says that decreasing the resistance forces the current to increase unless the voltage is fixed. Solve some problems with a voltage source and multiple series resistors. Make some of the resistors several thousand times the value of the smallest resistor which would represent the wire. Changing the smallest resistor slightly will not affect the current in the circuit very much at all. You are not the first poster here who has had similar questions. Strangely enough though, the first time I saw this type of question asked was here on physics forums.
 
It depends on whether you are in a constant current or a constant voltage situation. If the current I is held constant, then everything is as you have written it, and the current is independent of the area A. If you apply a constant voltage to the wire, then the current through the wire is \frac {V}{R}, and the power dissipated is \frac{V^2}{R}. In this case, increasing A will cause R to decrease, I to increase, and the power dissipation to increase.
 
Averagesupernova said:
You are not applying ohms law correctly. Given a current of 1 ampere through a resistor of 1 ohm will cause a dissipation of 1 watt. There will also be a voltage drop across the resistor of 1 volt. Nothing in ohms law says that says that decreasing the resistance forces the current to increase unless the voltage is fixed. Solve some problems with a voltage source and multiple series resistors. Make some of the resistors several thousand times the value of the smallest resistor which would represent the wire. Changing the smallest resistor slightly will not affect the current in the circuit very much at all. You are not the first poster here who has had similar questions. Strangely enough though, the first time I saw this type of question asked was here on physics forums.

Averagesupernova said:
You are not applying ohms law correctly. Given a current of 1 ampere through a resistor of 1 ohm will cause a dissipation of 1 watt. There will also be a voltage drop across the resistor of 1 volt. Nothing in ohms law says that says that decreasing the resistance forces the current to increase unless the voltage is fixed. Solve some problems with a voltage source and multiple series resistors. Make some of the resistors several thousand times the value of the smallest resistor which would represent the wire. Changing the smallest resistor slightly will not affect the current in the circuit very much at all. You are not the first poster here who has had similar questions. Strangely enough though, the first time I saw this type of question asked was here on physics forums.

So the effect of cross sectional area on the dissipated heat I described above only applies to wires which typically have a much smaller resistance than all other components in a circuit. Increasing the cross sectional area of a resistor with significant resistance might not necessarily decrease the heat dissipated in the resistor, right?
 
MohammedRady97 said:
How can we guarantee from the equation P=ρLI2AP = \frac{\rho L I^2}{A} that increasing A decreases P ? Isn't I functionally dependent on R ?

You cannot guarantee it.

As previous posters pointed out, this is not a physics problem but an algebra problem.

If I is a function of A and you wish to vary A , your equation ought to express I in terms of A
 
MohammedRady97 said:
So the effect of cross sectional area on the dissipated heat I described above only applies to wires which typically have a much smaller resistance than all other components in a circuit. Increasing the cross sectional area of a resistor with significant resistance might not necessarily decrease the heat dissipated in the resistor, right?
Jim Hardy pointed it out quite well. It's a math problem. In a resistor any time you double the current through said resistor you will double the power it dissipates. But that scenario isn't exactly what you questioned in your original post. At least through my interpretation. Don't give up. We're here to help.
 

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