Why does it keep getting harder to break a pencil in 2?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of breaking a pencil, specifically why it becomes increasingly difficult to break it into two pieces with each attempt. Participants explore the underlying physical principles, including torque, moments, and the role of surface area in the breaking process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant models the pencil as a hinged beam with moments applied at both ends, questioning how the length affects the moment distribution and why it becomes harder to break.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on how the pencil is being held, suggesting that a diagram might help illustrate the situation.
  • A participant notes that with a limited force applied, the moments change as the length of the pencil fragment decreases, prompting further inquiry into the mechanics involved.
  • One response indicates that as the distance from the pivot point decreases, the total torque (force times distance) should increase, which may affect the breaking process.
  • Another participant agrees that reduced surface area leads to less torque being applied, explaining that the force needed to break the pencil doubles with each attempt when held in hand, contrasting this with a fixed position scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of breaking the pencil, particularly regarding the effects of surface area and torque. There is no consensus on the exact reasons for the increasing difficulty in breaking the pencil.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the mechanics of force application and the role of surface area in the breaking process. The discussion includes various perspectives on how these factors interact.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring mechanics, physics students, or those curious about material properties and structural integrity.

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Consider a pencil. Now break it in 2. Do it again and it s obvious it gets harder to do it. Why is that?
I thought of modeling the problems as a hinged beam with moments applied at both ends having opposite directions and same torque. So basically the length of the beam doesn't affect the moment diagram which constant and equal to the moments. As the beam length change we will still have the same moment distribution so why does it get harder? And what's the reason it breaks near the middle? Thank you.
 
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It's not clear to me just how you are holding this pencil. Perhaps you could post a diagram?
 
Usually you have a limited force you can apply. What happens to the moments if force stays the same but the length of the pencil fragement gets reduced?
 
your distance is decreasing from pivoted point, thus the total f*distance.. this should be greater then the limit.
 
I agree, less torque with reduced surface area means less tension being applied to the pencil ! If you place said pencil in a fixed place, such as two eye hole screws. Put the pencil into these holes, which are spaced about a inch apart and you use your fingers to break the pencil. The applied pressure doesn't change, it's only when you hold the pencil in your hand that we notice the force needed doubles which each snap of the pencil. Basically it's to do with surface area and torque applied, less area means less torque unless it's in a fixed position as described above.
 

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