Why does it work only when h tends to zero?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical reasoning behind why a certain function behaves correctly only when the variable \( h \) approaches zero. The context includes concepts of differential operators, Taylor series, and the implications of using limits in calculus.

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  • One participant questions why the relationship \( f(x+h)/f(x) = x \) holds only as \( h \) approaches zero, despite not assuming \( h \) to be zero initially.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the purpose of the inquiry, indicating a need for understanding the underlying mathematical operations involved.
  • A participant explains that \( E \) is a shift operator and \( D \) is a differential operator, suggesting that the derivation relies on definitions that are valid only as \( h \) tends to zero.
  • There is a mention of using Taylor series to relate the operators, indicating a connection to the behavior of functions as they are perturbed by small increments.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the completeness of the answer, noting that the question is self-generated and not found in textbooks, which may introduce additional errors.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of \( h \) tending to zero for the derivation to hold, with some acknowledging the importance of this limit while others question the initial assumptions made in the derivation.

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The discussion highlights the reliance on the definition of derivatives, which is typically established in the context of limits as \( h \) approaches zero. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the initial steps of the derivation.

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why does it work only when h tends to zero?

\hat{}\[\begin{array}{l}<br /> f(x + h) = xf(x)\\<br /> Ef(x) = xf(x)\\<br /> E = x\\<br /> \ln E = hD\\<br /> \ln x = hD\\<br /> f(x) = y\\<br /> y\ln x = hDy\\<br /> y\ln x = h\frac{{dy}}{{dx}}\\<br /> \int {} \ln xdx = h\int {} dy/y\\<br /> x\log x/e = h\ln y + \ln c\\<br /> x\log x/e = h\ln y/C\\<br /> (x/h)\ln x/e = \ln y/C\\<br /> C(x/e)\frac{{x/h}}{1} = y = f(x)\\<br /> f(x + h) = C((x + h)/e)\frac{{(x + h)/h}}{1}\\<br /> f(x + h)/f(x) = (((x + h)/e)\frac{{(x + h)/h}}{1})/(x/e)\frac{{x/h}}{1}\\<br /> f(x + h)/f(x) = ((x + h)/x)\frac{{x/h}}{1})*((x + h)/e)\\<br /> f(x + h)/f(x) = (1 + h/x)\frac{{x/h}}{1}*((x + h)/e)\\<br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{h \to 0} f(x + h)/f(x) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{h \to 0} e*((x + h)/e)\\<br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{h \to 0} f(x + h)/f(x) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{h \to 0} (x + h)\\<br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{h \to 0} f(x + h)/f(x) = x\\<br /> \\<br /> <br /> \end{array}\]
 
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f(x+h)/f(x)=x only when h tends to zero
however shouldn't it work for any value of h as it wasnt assumed that h was zero in the first step ...
where is the problem?
 
What are you trying to do?
 
PURPOSE
to find a function such that when it is increased by h(Constant) at x it becomes x times it value at x

E and D
E is shift operator such that Ef(x)=f(x+h) , E^2 f(x)=f(x+2h) and so on s.t. E^nf(x)=f(x+nh)
D is differtial operator that is d/dx...

STEP 4

using taylors series

e^hD= E

i am asking why does it yields correct answer only when h tends to zero ...we haven't assumed it to be tending to zero in our initial assumption... why does it yields h tending to zero at the end...

i thing it is due to defination of derivatives (which we have used in our derivation) which has been defined for h tending to zero... besides it just doesn't look like the complete answer... this is a question done by me and is not written in any textbook (yielding more chances for error)...
 

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