Why Does Kinetic Energy Depend on the Square of Speed?

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The discussion centers around the question of why kinetic energy is defined as depending on the square of speed rather than linearly on speed. Participants explore theoretical explanations, mathematical derivations, and empirical observations related to this concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the definition of kinetic energy inherently involves the square of speed, while momentum is linearly dependent on speed.
  • One participant suggests using dimensional analysis to demonstrate that kinetic energy must be proportional to the square of speed, citing units of energy in SI as kg*m²/s².
  • Another participant provides a derivation using the work-energy theorem, relating force, distance, and speed to arrive at the expression for kinetic energy.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that kinetic energy's dependence on the square of velocity is not a necessity but an empirical observation, suggesting that it could have been defined differently.
  • Some participants note that kinetic energy, as a measure of motion, is independent of direction, which may justify its squared relationship with speed.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of kinetic energy being proportional to the square of speed. While some provide mathematical and theoretical justifications, others argue that it is an empirical result, indicating that no consensus exists on the underlying reasons for this definition.

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Limitations in the discussion include the reliance on definitions and empirical observations without resolving the deeper theoretical implications of why kinetic energy is defined as it is.

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Why is it that kinetic energy depends on the square of speed instead of simply speed? Is there an example that shows why?
 
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lella said:
Why is it that kinetic energy depends on the square of speed instead of simply speed? Is there an example that shows why?


Its really just because that's the definition of kinetic energy. Momentum is defined as the quantity that depends on the speed linearly.
 
That's a very interesting question - sure its defined that way, but why?

I suppose this isn't truly a satisfatory answer, but we could use dimensional analysis to show that it indeed must be squared:

In SI, we're looking for energy in kg*m^2/s^2

Potentional energy: m*g*h so (kg)(m/s^2)(m) looks good

Kinetic Energy: m*v^2 (kg)(m/s)^2 looks good too!

As far as a "deeper" reason, I don't think I can add anything off hand.
 
The guy above is cute. But I have another explanation.
If the mass is M, and at the beginning it rested on the non-fiction ground.
Then we give it a force F.
We know that after S meters' movement, the kientic of the mass will be E=F*S ;
but now we will express it in another way, with the V and M.
we know the acceleration of the mass is a = F/M
and there is the relation S = V^2/(2*a) = V^2/(2*F/M)=MV^2/(2F)
So E = F*S = MV^2/2
it is the kinetic.:approve:
 
You can get it from the second Newton's law
F=m*dv/dt

According to Work(W)-Energy(E) theorem we have the definition of kinetic energy
dE=dW=F*dx=F*v*dt=m*v*dv=d(m*v^2/2)

From which we get the kinetic energy
E = m*v^2/2

Hope this helps

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From a pure foundation and without the benefit of hindsight, the answer of course, is that it is not necessary that kinetic energy be dependent on the square of velocity. This could only have been (and was, by Joule) determined empiracally. The other answer is because momentum, which is the quantity of motion, already does.

Kinetic energy is the energy of motion, it [energy] allows us to note a change of some system's state with respect to time. It also makes sense physically that kinetic energy would depend on the square of velocity since its value does not depend on direction.
 
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