Why Does Light Change Its Path When Speed Alters in Different Media?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of light changing its path when it travels through different media, particularly focusing on the reasons behind this behavior, such as refraction and wave properties. Participants explore theoretical explanations, principles, and models related to the behavior of light as it interacts with various materials.

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  • Some participants question why light changes direction when its speed alters, suggesting it should maintain the same path despite speed changes.
  • Others propose that understanding light as a wave can provide insights into its behavior, referencing wave principles applicable to various phenomena.
  • A participant mentions the principle of minimum optical path, suggesting that light takes the path that minimizes travel time between two points.
  • Fermat's principle is introduced as a more recognizable term for the principle of minimum optical path.
  • Some participants discuss the refractive index and its relation to electromagnetic waves being slowed in materials due to interactions with atomic charges.
  • There are claims about the superposition of waves and how it affects the resultant wave's amplitude and phase, with some mathematical expressions provided to illustrate these points.
  • One participant raises a question about the principle of least action, seeking clarification on the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in this context.
  • A later reply discusses the Poynting vector and its implications for energy flow in relation to refraction and the behavior of light at medium boundaries.

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Participants express a range of viewpoints, with some agreeing on the wave nature of light and principles like Fermat's principle, while others raise questions and uncertainties about the explanations provided. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the underlying reasons for light's path alteration.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions and assumptions about wave behavior, refractive index, and energy principles, which may not be universally accepted or fully explained within the discussion.

Manraj singh
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Yeah sure, change in speed of light as it travels from one medium to another. But why does it affect the path? I mean, shouldn't the light ray just go in the same direction with a different speed? Why does it have to change its path?
 
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If we think light as a wave
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Cause for refraction of light.

I have heard those examples before, but do they actually explain the phenomenon? Or do they just give a similar situation where the direction changes with speed? Bottomline, does light change direction for the same reason as the above phenomena?
 
The example given in #2 is a very general property of wave behavior - it works for light, sound, ripples in water, etc. It can be shown by an application of the Hughens' wavelet principle, ~1678 by Christiaan Huyghens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens#Optics

If you know differential equations you can derive this behavior from the wave equation:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/waveq.html

This is usually done in an upper level physics course such as electromagnetic field theory or optics.
 
Manraj singh said:
I have heard those examples before, but do they actually explain the phenomenon? Or do they just give a similar situation where the direction changes with speed? Bottomline, does light change direction for the same reason as the above phenomena?

Yes, light is an EM wave and the examples given are the reason refraction occurs.
 
Thank you.
 
Another way to understand that is the principle of minimum optical path (which basically means the light ray takes the path that minimizes the total amount of time taken to go from point A to point B).
 
dauto said:
principle of minimum optical path

Which is commonly known as Fermat's principle, and is perhaps more easily Googlable under that name.
 
Is this correct : The refractive index of a material at a particular frequency , n =c/v is caused by the EM wave being slowed in the material because the electric field creates a disturbance in the charges of each atom , primarily the electrons proportional to the permittivity.
This oscillation of charges itself causes the radiation of an electromagnetic wave of the same frequency that is slightly out of phase with the incident wave. The sum of these two waves creates a wave of the same frequency but shorter wavelength than the original leading to a slowing in the waves travel.

It is my understanding that the superposition of two waves of same frequency and out of phase
produces a resultant wave with amplitude change only : (2ymcos(ø/2)
 
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morrobay said:
Is this correct : The refractive index of a material at a particular frequency , n =c/v is caused by the EM wave being slowed in the material because the electric field creates a disturbance in the charges of each atom , primarily the electrons proportional to the permittivity.
This oscillation of charges itself causes the radiation of an electromagnetic wave of the same frequency that is slightly out of phase with the incident wave. The sum of these two waves creates a wave of the same frequency but shorter wavelength than the original leading to a slowing in the waves travel.

It is my understanding that the superposition of two waves of same frequency and out of phase
produces a resultant wave with amplitude change only : (2ymcos(ø/2)

The statement is correct. Note that this is not just a superposition of two waves which would indeed affect the phase only. More electrons are being stimulated all the time along the wave path and continuously add their effects to the wave.
 
  • #11
morrobay said:
It is my understanding that the superposition of two waves of same frequency and out of phase produces a resultant wave with amplitude change only : (2ymcos(ø/2)

The phase of the resultant wave is generally different from both of the two original waves:
$$A_1 \cos (\omega t + \phi_1) + A_2 \cos (\omega t + \phi_2) = A \cos (\omega t + \phi)$$
where
$$A^2 = A_1^2 + A_2^2 + 2A_1 A_2 \cos (\phi_2 - \phi_1)\\
\tan \phi = \frac {A_1 \sin \phi_1 + A_2 \sin \phi_2}{A_1 \cos \phi_1 + A_2 \cos \phi_2}$$
 
  • #12
You will understand it better if you read Principle of least action. Moreover, refraction of light also depends upon the geometry and internal atomic structure of that particular element.

Here's Fermat's Principle or Principle of Least Action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat's_principle

Regards.
 
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Thank you.
 
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I do we have a doubt in the principle of least action. Why do we want the kinetic energy to be large and the potential energy less if we want a small difference? Why can't both be large or both small? Wouldn't the difference be less then?
 
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Manraj singh said:
I do we have a doubt in the principle of least action. Why do we want the kinetic energy to be large and the potential energy less if we want a small difference? Why can't both be large or both small? Wouldn't the difference be less then?

What difference? The least action principle states that the action is stationary for the true paths taken by particles where the action S is given by S = K - U - that is kinetic energy minus potential energy.When you say you want a small difference we must state what is being measured that happens to have a small difference. You can't just say small difference and leave it at that. Makes no sense.
 
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The Poynting vector S = rate of energy flow per unit area = dU/dtA = 1/μ0ExB
When the EM wave is oblique at the boundary of medium then the value of S is less than incident wave ( greater area).
Then is it correct to say that refraction is a way that this decrease in S is opposed at the boundary ?
 
  • #18
dauto said:
What difference? The least action principle states that the action is stationary for the true paths taken by particles where the action S is given by S = K - U - that is kinetic energy minus potential energy.When you say you want a small difference we must state what is being measured that happens to have a small difference. You can't just say small difference and leave it at that. Makes no sense.

Sorry about that.
 

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