Why Does Light Reflect Off a Mirror at the Same Angle It Hits?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of light reflection off mirrors, specifically why light reflects at the same angle at which it strikes the surface. Participants explore various theoretical frameworks, including classical and quantum perspectives, and address the implications of different models on the understanding of reflection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why light reflects at the same angle it hits a mirror, suggesting that interactions with electrons could lead to different angles of re-emission.
  • Others propose that the interaction is with the bulk of the reflecting surface rather than individual electrons, leading to a reflected wave that follows the laws of reflection.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, referencing Huygens' principle to explain how wavefronts interact at the surface to produce specular reflection.
  • Some participants mention the importance of boundary conditions and Maxwell's equations in predicting specular versus diffuse reflection.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of light scattering, with distinctions made between elastic scattering and other processes like the photoelectric effect.
  • One participant suggests that conservation of momentum is a fundamental reason for the equality of angles in reflection, likening it to the behavior of a ping-pong ball.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of using an electron orbit model to explain reflection, with suggestions that it may lead to incorrect conclusions.

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Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on a single explanation for the phenomenon. Multiple competing models and interpretations are presented, indicating an ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the limitations of models, such as the assumption of isolated atoms versus bulk material behavior, and the implications of different scattering processes. The complexity of light-matter interactions is acknowledged, with various conditions affecting the outcomes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, physics, or materials science, as well as individuals curious about the fundamental principles of light behavior and reflection.

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How come when light hits a mirror and then gets re-emitted , that the light comes off at the same angle it hits, when the light hits the glass or what-ever , when it interacts with the electrons in the atom , these electrons are orbiting so why can't they re-emit the light at some other angle .
 
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I suggest Feynman's book (QED) for a complete discussion.
 
ok thanks
 
You are basing your ideas on the simple, isolated, Hydrogen Atom model and assuming each photon interacts with just one atom. The light doesn't react with individual electrons, in this case; it interacts with the bulk of the reflecting surface - which is metallic in a mirror - and the result produces a reflected wave that obeys the laws of reflection.
 
why does it obey the law of reflection .
 
A guy called Huygens came up with an almost perfect description of this in the 17th Century!
If you imagine every part of the reflecting surface receiving its own bit of an advancing plane wavefront. It will absorb and then re-emit a wave with a very slight phase delay, which is common to all the other surrounding points on the surface. This behaves like a point source (a Huygens 'secondary wavelet') from which waves radiate, backwards, over a hemisphere. All the neighbouring points on the surface are doing the same thing. The result, if you add up all the secondary wavelets, is to produce just one plane wavefront in a direction which corresponds to the symmetrical rule of the law of reflection. Waves in any other direction don't exist because the secondary wavelets all cancel each other. When the surface is not perfectly smooth, of course, the geometry means that this cancellation doesn't occur and you will get light in other directions.
They use what is, effect, Huygens Principle, even today, to solve problems of diffraction reflection and refraction. Not a bad shelf life!
 
cragar said:
How come when light hits a mirror and then gets re-emitted , that the light comes off at the same angle it hits, when the light hits the glass or what-ever , when it interacts with the electrons in the atom , these electrons are orbiting so why can't they re-emit the light at some other angle .

It doesn't have to at all: look up the BRDF, Lambertian surfaces, or any rough surface scattering report.

You are asking (presumably) about planar surfaces with certain boundary conditions (i.e. corresponding to a perfect conductor). Then Maxwell's equations predict the field is reflected specularly. Relax those assumptions, and you get diffuse scattering.

The light is not 're-emitted', it is *elastically scattered*, unless you want to discuss Raman processes, 4-wave mixing (retroreflection), a surface painted with fluorescent ink, etc.
 
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You are using a sort of hybrid classical / quantum approach for this. Fair enough. Your 'elastic scattering' still has to be, deep down, a quantum effect, of course. But this is ok if you think of the photons interacting with the material as a whole and not with individual electrons-in-atoms, which only applies in a gas, in any case. Maxwell assumes classical behaviour.

I think the OP was concerned that the individual photon - electron interaction would not support specular reflection. And it doesn't. Light entering a gas may be absorbed and re-emitted randomly - hence absorption spectroscopy - but that's gases, not condensed matter surfaces..
 
thanks for all of your answers
 
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What the others said can also are true, but Albert Einstein suggested Photoelectric effect. Which one of the theories that i like very much:)

i didn't read the other theories, I'll do it now.Thank you Sophiecentaur, Andy Resnick and Mathman.

You can find more at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect
 
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sophiecentaur said:
@Andy Resnick
You are using a sort of hybrid classical / quantum approach for this. Fair enough. Your 'elastic scattering' still has to be, deep down, a quantum effect, of course. But this is ok if you think of the photons interacting with the material as a whole and not with individual electrons-in-atoms, which only applies in a gas, in any case. Maxwell assumes classical behaviour.

I think the OP was concerned that the individual photon - electron interaction would not support specular reflection. And it doesn't. Light entering a gas may be absorbed and re-emitted randomly - hence absorption spectroscopy - but that's gases, not condensed matter surfaces..

Since the OP specifically mentioned 'a mirror', I think it unwise to approximate the device as a gas.
 
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Of course - in which case "an electron orbiting an atom" is not a suitable model to explain what happens and leads to a wrong conclusion.
 
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These answers are all great and show there's more than one approach. Here's the simplest one I can think of:

The angles of incidence and reflection are equal for the same reason as for a (perfect point) ping-pong ball- conservation of momentum.
 
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Yeah, that's the simplest explanation that anyone can give for low levels.

The above answers were all high level approaches.
 
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The conservation of momentum implies that the reflecting surface doesn't gain any momentum. Can you be sure it doesn't?
The original, historical, idea of corpuscles (ping pong balls) failed to explain refraction, tho'.
 

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