Which Is More Fundamental: Time or Distance?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between time and distance in the context of spacetime, specifically addressing whether light seeks the shortest time or distance between two points. It is established that light travels along null geodesics, which do not have an invariant time or distance associated with them, while planets travel along timelike geodesics, representing the longest proper time between events. The conversation clarifies that in curved spacetime, the orbit of a planet may not represent the globally longest proper time but is the longest within a specific class of curves. Misinterpretations of these concepts were acknowledged, emphasizing the importance of understanding spacetime dynamics.

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Is the following logic correct?

When spacetime is flat, we say that light travels in a straight line. A planet also would travel in a straight line because that would take the shortest travel time between two points.

Does light seek out the shortest time to travel between two points, or the shortest distance? Which one is more fundamental?

Now if spacetime is curved, would I say light travels on the curved path because that curved path represents the shortest time it takes light to travel between two points, but not necessarily the shortest distance?

And same thing with a planet orbiting a star. Is this logic correct? --> the orbit of the planet represents the shortest time a planet can go from one coordinate to another.
 
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Albertgauss said:
When spacetime is flat, we say that light travels in a straight line.

Strictly speaking, it travels on a null geodesic. See below.

Albertgauss said:
A planet also would travel in a straight line because that would take the shortest travel time between two points.

No; it takes the longest travel time between two events. You have to think of spacetime, not space. An object that is not subject to any forces travels on a geodesic of spacetime, and a geodesic is a curve of maximal proper time (maximum time elapsed) between two given events (points in spacetime).

Albertgauss said:
Does light seek out the shortest time to travel between two points, or the shortest distance? Which one is more fundamental?

Neither. Rather, both are the same thing as far as light is concerned. Light travels on null geodesics, which do not have an invariant "time" or "distance" associated with them (whereas timelike geodesics, the curves that things like planets travel on, do have an invariant time--the proper time according to the planet's clock).

Albertgauss said:
f spacetime is curved, would I say light travels on the curved path because that curved path represents the shortest time it takes light to travel between two points, but not necessarily the shortest distance?

Neither. See above.

Albertgauss said:
And same thing with a planet orbiting a star. Is this logic correct? --> the orbit of the planet represents the shortest time a planet can go from one coordinate to another.

No. The planet's orbit represents the longest proper time between two given events--but in curved spacetime there is a caveat, that the orbit might not be the globally longest proper time, but only the longest within a particular class of curves. In the case of the planet, if we consider the two given events to be two successive perhelion passages of the planet, its orbit will be the longest proper time in the class of curves that all go around the star once between those two events. But there will be another geodesic with even longer proper time, which doesn't go around the star at all--it just goes radially outward and then falls back again in such a way that it passes through both successive perihelion events of the planet.
 
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