Why Does One Side of a Belt Fall When Hung Unevenly?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of why one side of a belt falls when it is hung unevenly on a towel holder. Participants explore the forces at play, including tension, weight distribution, and the role of the holder in this scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the towel hanger does not exert an equal upward force to support the belt when it is unevenly hung.
  • Another participant suggests that the belt falls due to an imbalance in weight between the two sides, prompting further inquiry into the mechanics of the holder and the belt's motion.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of considering the surfaces involved, noting that slick surfaces may contribute to the belt sliding off the holder when unevenly distributed.
  • Participants discuss the concept of tension and net forces, with one asking if the holder exerts an upward force in addition to the tension in the belt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics involved, particularly regarding the role of the holder and the nature of the forces acting on the belt. No consensus is reached on the exact explanation for the observed phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of the belt and holder, such as surface friction and weight distribution, are not fully explored. The discussion does not resolve the specific mechanics involved in the belt's behavior.

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I thought about this when hanging my belt on to the towel holder. If i put too much of the belt on one side, that side would fall down. Why does this happen? Shouldn't the towel hanger just put up an equal force to the total weight of the belt keeping it up?

I understand a little when we say that the towel hanger acts as a pulley so the direction of the force can be changed but i still don't get why an upwards force isn't present to hold the belt up actually.

Thanks for the help :)
 
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It's not that the hanger isn't exerting enough force on the belt to hold it up. A physicist would rely on his powers of observation to formulate a theory.

Ask yourself, why does the belt fall if the amount of weight isn't balanced between the two sides? What happens where the belt is resting on the holder? Is there anything on the holder which can resist the motion of the belt if, for whatever reason, the belt starts moving? Can the belt be placed on the holder in another way such that it will not slip off?
 
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It's not that the hanger isn't exerting enough force on the belt to hold it up. A physicist would rely on his powers of observation to formulate a theory.

Ask yourself, why does the belt fall if the amount of weight isn't balanced between the two sides? What happens where the belt is resting on the holder? Is there anything on the holder which can resist the motion of the belt if, for whatever reason, the belt starts moving? Can the belt be placed on the holder in another way such that it will not slip off?

Hi thanks for the reply :)

Using the tension and forces we learned, it would be because one side of the rope has more weight than the other so it would have a net downwards force while the other side would have a tension that would pull the lesser weight up. But while these 2 processes occur, does the holder exert an upwards force too?

Thanks for the help
 
Indubitably. Draw a free body diagram of the belt and the holder.

Look, your holder is not magic. The belt and the holder both probably have slick surfaces. The belt falls off the holder, if it is not evenly hung, because the unbalanced weight causes the belt to slide.
 

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