Why Does Reflection Phase Shift Not Always Apply to Both Polarizations?

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The discussion revolves around the phase shift of reflected light rays in relation to different polarizations (s-polarization and p-polarization) when light transitions between media with different refractive indices. It examines the conditions under which phase shifts occur and the implications of these conditions on the understanding of reflection in optics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the common assertion regarding a phase shift of ## \pi ## for reflected light when ## n_1 < n_2 ## does not account for the differences between s-polarization and p-polarization reflection coefficients.
  • One participant suggests that the original statement may implicitly assume normal incidence, which could affect the interpretation of the phase shift conditions.
  • Another participant observes that the p-polarization reflection coefficient becomes negative under conditions that are the opposite of those for s-polarization, indicating a more complex relationship between the two polarizations.
  • It is proposed that there are distinct conditions for phase shifts:
    1. Only s-polarization shifts phase when ## n_1 < n_2 ## and ## \sin^2{\theta_1}<\frac{1}{1+(\frac{n_1}{n_2})^2} ##.
    2. Both polarizations shift phase when ## n_1 < n_2 ## and ## \sin^2{\theta_1}>\frac{1}{1+(\frac{n_1}{n_2})^2} ##.
    3. Only p-polarization shifts phase when ## n_1 > n_2 ##.
  • A participant reflects on the prevalence of the misunderstanding regarding phase shifts in optics textbooks and among educators, questioning whether this is a widespread issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which phase shifts occur for different polarizations. There is no consensus on whether textbooks adequately address these distinctions or if misunderstandings are common among students and educators.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of phase shifts in reflection and the dependence on specific conditions such as the angle of incidence and the refractive indices of the media involved. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of educational materials and the assumptions made in common statements about phase shifts.

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Its always said that a reflected light ray acquires a phase shift equal to ## \pi ## if ## n_1 < n_2 ##. But considering the Fresnel coefficients, its revealed that its only for the s-polarization reflection coefficient that ## n_1 < n_2 ## causes the coefficient become negative. The p-polarization reflection coefficient becomes negative only when ## \sin^2 \theta_1 > \frac{1}{1+(\frac{n_1}{n_2})^2} ##. So why the first sentence doesn't distinguish different polarizations?
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I guess the author implicitly assumes normal incidence.
 
I just found* that the p reflection coefficient becomes negative when ## n_2 < n_1 ##, exactly the opposite condition for s reflection coefficient!

*## n_2 \cos\theta_1<n_1 \cos\theta_2 \Rightarrow \frac{n_2}{n_1} \cos\theta_1 < \cos\theta_2 \Rightarrow \sin\theta_1\cos\theta_1 < \sin\theta_2 \cos\theta_2 \Rightarrow \sin{2\theta_1} < \sin{2 \theta_2} \Rightarrow \\ \theta_1 < \theta_2 \Rightarrow n_2 < n_1##
 
What does it have to do with the original problem?
 
It seems we have two conditions that result in ## r_p < 0## but only one for ## r_s<0 ##. So we have the following situations:
1) ## n_1 < n_2 ## and ## \sin^2{\theta_1}<\frac{1}{1+(\frac{n_1}{n_2})^2} ##: Only the s polarization shifts phase upon reflection.
2) ## n_1 < n_2 ## and ## \sin^2{\theta_1}>\frac{1}{1+(\frac{n_1}{n_2})^2} ##: Both polarizations shift phase upon reflection.
3) ## n_1 > n_2 ##: Only p polarization shifts phase upon reflection.
Well, at least now I have a clearer view. I'm beginning to think that the optics textbooks implicitly assume the light ray to have s polarization. Am I overestimating the number of textbooks that claim ## n_1 < n_2 ## means there is a phase shift upon reflection? Actually someone asked me this question and I remember in my own optics course that the professor kept repeating that there is phase shift when ## n_1 < n_2 ##. This is also abundant on the internet(this, this, this and this). But I don't remember whether textbooks claim as such or not. It seems to me that textbooks get it right but it became a misunderstanding among people.
 
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