Details of total internal reflection

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The discussion revolves around the concept of total internal reflection, particularly focusing on the implications of Snell's law and the use of complex angles in this context. Participants explore the mathematical treatment of angles and the nature of evanescent waves, as well as the conditions under which Snell's law applies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the relationship defined by Snell's law and introduces the concept of a critical angle, noting that if the incident angle exceeds this critical angle, the sine of the refraction angle becomes greater than one, suggesting a complex angle.
  • Another participant challenges the use of Snell's law in the context of complex angles, arguing that the law should not be applied in ranges where it does not hold.
  • A different participant suggests that the introduction of complex angles is unnecessary, asserting that the variable β can be defined without resorting to complex numbers.
  • One participant elaborates on the implications of using complex angles, presenting an expression for evanescent waves and discussing the mathematical formulation involving the complex parameterization of the angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and validity of using complex angles in the context of total internal reflection. There is no consensus on whether this approach is appropriate or beneficial.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the applicability of Snell's law and the assumptions made in defining angles and parameters. The discussion remains open to interpretation and further exploration of the mathematical implications.

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Consider snell's law n_1 \sin{\theta_1}=n_2 \sin{\theta_2}(n_1 and n_2 are real).
We know that if n_2<n_1, there exists an incident angle called critical angle that gives a refraction angle of ninety degrees i.e. \sin{\theta_c}=\frac{n_2}{n_1}.

But if the incident angle is greater than the critical angle(i.e. \sin{\theta_1}>\frac{n_2}{n_1}),Then:\sin{\theta_2}=\frac{n_1}{n_2}\sin{\theta_1}>1

But we know that \sin{\theta}>1 can happen for no real \theta,so we say that \theta_2 should be complex:
\theta_2=\alpha+i \beta and \sin{\theta_2}=\sin{(\alpha+i \beta)}=\sin{(\alpha)}\cos{(i \beta)}+\sin{(i \beta)}\cos{(\alpha)}=\sin{(\alpha)}\cosh{(\beta)}+i\cos{(\alpha)}\sinh{(\beta)}

But from snell'w law,we know that \sin{\theta_2} should be real and so we should always have cos{\alpha}=0 \Rightarrow \alpha=\frac{\pi}{2} and so \sin{\theta_2}=\cosh{\beta}.

This means that the only variable which is capable of giving information about the Total reflected ray,is \beta. But how?

Thanks
 
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Shyan said:
But from snell'w law,we know that \sin{\theta_2} should be real
You cannot use a law in a parameter range where it does not apply.

This means that the only variable which is capable of giving information about the Total reflected ray,is \beta. But how?
What else do you need? The angle is just the same as the incident angle.
 
No reason to use complex angles here. You simply defined \beta such that \cosh \beta = \frac{n_1}{n_2}\sin \theta_1
 
Now, what you do get from the treatment of this problem with complex angles is an expression for the evanescent waves F = A e^{i\vec k_2\cdot \vec x}, where \vec k_2 = cos\theta_2\hat i + sin\theta_2\hat j, and \vec x = x\hat i + y\hat j. Now if you plug in your complex parametrization \theta_2 = \frac{\pi}{2} + \beta, than you get F = A exp [iy\,cosh\beta - x sinh\beta]
 

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