Why does temperature remain constant during melting/boiling?

In summary: The ice/water vase is not in thermal equilibrium, so the water part of the system will have a higher temperature than the ice part.
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When ice melts at 0°C, energy is being absorbed to break the bonds. And so temperature remains constant. However, when some of the atoms enter the liquid state why can't they continue gaining heat and increase in temperature. So that this way, the overall temperature increases instead of remaining the same?

Thanks in advance :)
 
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Let's start from the top. Do you think your ice/water mix is at a single temperature or not?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Let's start from the top. Do you think your ice/water mix is at a single temperature or not?

I think so? Because in the graph for temperature against time it stays constant for the substance that's being heated during its melting.
 
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OK, so if it is all at the same temperature, how do you bring the ice to above its melting point without melting it?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
OK, so if it is all at the same temperature, how do you bring the ice to above its melting point without melting it?

I think by increasing the pressure the melting point would increase. But even at normal atmospheric pressure, if we have a piece of ice that's is melting in a 25 degrees environment, won't the melted part of the ice/water be exposed to the 25 degrees environment and get heated up while the ice part would continue melting at 0°C?

So in other words in a 25°C room, the ice part of the ice/water part is still 0°C while the water part can be at a temperature greater than 0?
 
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So are you arguing that the system is all at the same temperature (#3) or not (#5)?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
So are you arguing that the system is all at the same temperature (#3) or not (#5)?

Hmm I'm thinking when the ice is taken out to a hot environment, it starts to melt. So the ice part of the system is still 0 degrees while the water part that melted from the ice is free to heat up to above 0 degrees?
 
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So now you have to decide whether you are talking about "small" things or "large" things. Small things are in thermal equilibrium, which means they have one temperature. Large things - like the Earth - are not in thermal equilibrium, and different parts can have different temperatures. Your confusion stems from trying to take a statement about small things and apply it to large things.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
So now you have to decide whether you are talking about "small" things or "large" things. Small things are in thermal equilibrium, which means they have one temperature. Large things - like the Earth - are not in thermal equilibrium, and different parts can have different temperatures. Your confusion stems from trying to take a statement about small things and apply it to large things.

Hi thanks for the reply

Would the ice/water vase be like the small thing that's in thermal equilibrium? because I was thinking about the distillation case also whereby the thermometer would read the temperature of the gas to be at the bolong point of the gas exactly. But similarly to this case, I thought the evaporated gas can actually heat up to be more than its boiling point. For example in a ethanol water fractional distillation the temperature read is 78degrees initially which is the boiling point of the ethanol. But as the ethanol vaporized I thought it could increase in temperature as well.

Thanks so much for the help
 

1. Why does the temperature remain constant during melting/boiling?

During melting and boiling, the temperature remains constant because energy is being used to break the bonds between the molecules, rather than increasing their kinetic energy and causing a rise in temperature.

2. How does the temperature remain constant during melting/boiling?

The temperature remains constant due to the absorption of heat energy by the substance. As the molecules break apart, energy is required to overcome the attractive forces between them, causing the temperature to remain stable.

3. Is it possible for the temperature to increase during melting/boiling?

No, it is not possible for the temperature to increase during melting or boiling because the energy being absorbed is being used to overcome the intermolecular forces, rather than increasing the kinetic energy of the molecules.

4. Why is it important for the temperature to remain constant during melting/boiling?

The constant temperature during melting and boiling ensures that the substance is undergoing a phase change, rather than a change in temperature. This is important for accurate measurements and understanding the behavior of different substances.

5. Does the temperature ever change during melting/boiling?

Yes, the temperature can change during melting and boiling, but only once the phase change is complete. Once all of the substance has melted or boiled, any additional heat energy will cause a rise in temperature as the kinetic energy of the molecules increases.

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