Why does the h tensor represent gravity waves?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of gravity waves by the h tensor in the context of metric perturbations in general relativity. Participants explore the distinctions between scalar, vector, and tensor perturbations, and the implications of these classifications for understanding gravity waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what makes the h tensor more representative of gravity waves compared to the scalar perturbations (fi or psi) of vector perturbations.
  • There is a request for clarification on the difference between scalar and tensor perturbations, indicating a need for deeper understanding of the concepts involved.
  • One participant emphasizes that gravity waves are defined as metric perturbations, suggesting that this definition underpins the classification of the h tensor.
  • A participant references Mukhanov's work, noting that tensor perturbations are specifically labeled as gravity waves, raising questions about the rationale behind these labels.
  • Another participant mentions the necessity of an oscillating quadrupole moment as a source for gravitational waves, contrasting it with the requirements for electromagnetic radiation.
  • Confusion is expressed regarding the nature of gravity waves and the types of perturbations that can produce them, with a participant indicating a need to revisit foundational texts on general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the classification of the h tensor as representative of gravity waves, and multiple competing views on the nature of gravity waves and metric perturbations remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the definitions and implications of scalar, vector, and tensor perturbations, as well as the specific conditions under which gravitational waves are produced. The discussion reflects varying levels of comprehension and interpretation of these concepts.

the_pulp
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What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Thanks!
 
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What is the difference between a scalar and a tensor?
 
the_pulp said:
What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Thanks!

Can you first figure out why you need to perturb the metric tensor? Then, if you write [itex]g_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\mu\nu} + \mbox{first order perturbation}[/itex], how do you balance the indices?
 
dextercioby said:
Can you first figure out why you need to perturb the metric tensor? Then, if you write [itex]g_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\mu\nu} + \mbox{first order perturbation}[/itex], how do you balance the indices?

Sorry can you be more explicit? Thanks!
 
the_pulp said:
What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Um, the fact that "gravity waves" are metric perturbations, by definition?

I'm confused about what you're asking here. "Scalar", "vector", "tensor", "gravity wave", etc. are all just labels. If you're asking about why we choose certain labels for certain concepts, I don't see how we're going to answer that here; you'd have to ask the people who came up with the labels. If you're asking about some actual physics, what physics?
 
Ok, I'll be more clear myself. I am reading mukhanov "physical foundations of cosmology". There he says that metric perturbations can be decomposed in scalar, vector and tensor perturbations. Then he says that the tensor perturbation, represented there with letter "h" are Gravity Waves. Why does he say that for the h fluctuation but not for the scalar fluctuation? (Represented there by greek letters fi or psi)

Hope that helps to make you understand my doubt.
 
Because, as PeterDonis said, gravity waves are metric perturbations, by definition. To produce gravitational waves, you need an oscillating quadrupole moment as a source, in contrast to electromagnetic radiation, which requires an oscillating dipole moment.
 
Ok, so, what I have wrong is my comprenhension of Gravity Waves. What I sort of understood from Leonard Susskind videos was that a short perturbation (of any kind, dipole, quadrupole, etc.) in a far place produces gravity waves but I will see that again (and I will go to my GR books, I always overlooked the "Gravity Waves chapter").

Thanks
 

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