Why Does the Moment of Inertia Change in Torque-Free Rotation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of moment of inertia in the context of torque-free rotation, particularly how it changes over time from different reference frames. Participants explore the implications of the moment of inertia being a tensor and its dependence on the choice of reference frame, specifically the inertial (lab) frame versus the body frame.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the moment of inertia, which has nine components, changes with time in the inertial frame of reference when a rigid body moves through space.
  • There is a suggestion that the moment of inertia is affected by the choice of the pole about which torque is calculated, leading to different numerical values for torque in the lab frame.
  • Another participant notes that if the moment of inertia has components that depend on position, different points in space will yield different principal axes and inertia tensors.
  • A participant acknowledges that while the moment of inertia changes in the lab frame, it remains constant in the body frame, leading to a discussion about the relationship between angular momentum and angular velocity in these frames.
  • It is pointed out that the body frame is not inertial, which may affect the analysis of the moment of inertia.

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Participants express differing views on how the moment of inertia behaves in various reference frames, indicating that there is no consensus on the implications of these changes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the moment of inertia is considered to change.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the reference frames and the mathematical treatment of the moment of inertia as a tensor. The dependence on the choice of poles for torque calculations and the implications of non-inertial frames are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Torque Free Rotation...again...

Hello Forum,

I have read an old, but good, thread about torque free rotation:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=405781

I am still unclear on how, from the inertial (lab) frame of reference, the moment of inertia I, which is a tensor with 9 components, changes with time t...

A rigid body moving in the air changes its coordinates relative to the origin of a fixed lab frame of reference. Why would the moment of inertia change too?

Torque free means zero net torque acting on the rigid body. But torque is a quantity that depends on the choice of the pole about which torque is calculate: from the lab frame, the choice of different poles will lead to different numerical values for the torque, correct?

It is possible to diagonalize the moment of inertia and find the 3 principal directions. If the moment of inertia has components that are not constants but instead depend on position (x,y,z), we will find a different triad of principal axes for each different point P since there is a different inertia tensor for each different point P, correct?

thanks,
fog73
 
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Welcome to PF;
It's related to this:


As for the math details - why not try it and see?
Pick an example.

I have a bunch of notes somewhere ... oh here it is:
http://home.comcast.net/~szemengtan/ClassicalMechanics/SystemsAndRigidBodies.pdf
 
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Thanks Simon.

I guess from the fixed lab frame of reference, the moment of inertia does change while it does not change from body frame of reference.

From the lab reference frame angular momentum is constant while the angular velocity ω precesses and the moment of inertia I changes with time...

Thanks!

Fog37
 
Note: The body frame is not inertial.

Being careful to be specific about frames is the way to make progress here - you'll see Sze Tan does this in the lecture notes.
 

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