Why does the pressure change at the narrowing of a tube

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The discussion centers around the phenomenon of pressure change in a fluid as it moves through a narrowing tube, with particular emphasis on the underlying principles, including Bernoulli's principle, and its application to blood pressure in medical contexts. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications of pressure differences in fluid dynamics.

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  • Some participants propose that pressure differences in a constriction arise from the conversion between static pressure and dynamic (velocity) pressure, suggesting a conservation of energy perspective.
  • Others argue that "pressure" should be understood primarily as static pressure, while velocity pressure is a form of kinetic energy per unit volume, complicating the definition of pressure in fluid dynamics.
  • A participant from the medical field expresses confusion about the concept of blood pressure, indicating a desire to understand the physics behind it more thoroughly.
  • Another participant notes that Bernoulli's principle applies only to specific flow situations along a streamline, highlighting that changes in vessel conditions (like dilation) affect the applicability of the principle.
  • One contribution emphasizes the importance of pressure gradients in understanding blood flow, suggesting that pressure measurements in the body are influenced by various factors, including the structure of the circulatory system.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of pressure in fluid dynamics, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of static versus dynamic pressure. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on how to interpret pressure changes in fluid flow.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of pressure and the specific conditions under which Bernoulli's principle applies. There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between pressure measurements and physiological conditions in the body.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, engineering, and medicine, particularly those seeking to understand fluid dynamics and its applications in biological systems.

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From reading textbooks, we just know that there is a pressure difference because the fluid speeds up. But WHY is there a pressure difference, why does the pressure decrease?
 
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Though it isn't always a popular view, I think it is easiest to understand the issue by recognizing that pressure doesn't change in a constriction, but rather only shifts between different types of pressure (static and dynamic/velocity pressure).

The opposing school of thought holds that "pressure" only refers to static pressure and velocity pressure isn't really pressure, but is kinetic energy per unit volume (which still has units of pressure). In this way you can say that "pressure" is converted to something like motion.

In either case, it is important to recognise that this situation (Bernoulli's principle) is a conservation of energy statement. The conversion maintains a constant total system energy.
 
Hi, thank you for the welcome.

Actually, I am in the medical field. The concept of blood pressure does not make sense tome at all. When I talk to other students about it they look at me like I am crazy. But honestly, "blood pressure" REALLY doesn't make sense. There are so many questions that I can ask about it.

I just decided to read physics textbooks and work my way from the ground up.

As a medical professional, I feel uncomfortable discussing blood pressure with patients when I don't fully understand it myself.
 
We actually get blood pressure questions a lot. One thing to remember about how Bernoulli's principle applies to blood pressure is that Bernoulli's principle applies to only one flow situation at a time, along a streamline. So, for example, if your vessels dilate, your system has been changed and you can't compare it to the previous condition via Bernoulli's.
 
seratia said:
But honestly, "blood pressure" REALLY doesn't make sense.
I can sympathise with that because Physics often seems to present descriptions 'the wrong way round' for the uninitiated. You worry about the word "pressure", but the word "gradient" needs to be added in order to account for the flow. Firstly, you know that you can 'feel' the pressure in an artery because it pushes against your finger and the pressurised air in the 'cuff' can stop the flow. Some pressure gradient is needed all the way round the circuit to move the blood in the right direction all the way round and back into the Atria. In a single tube circuit with a uniform diameter tube, the pressure would drop steadily, being highest on the way out of the heart and lowest inside the Atria. In a real body, the capillaries account for a lot of the pressure drop and you can't easily get a useful measure of the veinous pressure (it's different for different heights in the body. Experience (I guess) has shown that the pressure on the way into the pump is low enough not to affect things and that the 'excess' pressure in the arteries gives a good enough idea of the pressure drop across the capilliaries.
So. your measurement of 'Pressure' near to the elbow is near enough to the 'Pressure Difference' around the circuit. Makes sense? :smile:
 

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