Why does voltage = energy/charge?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of voltage as the ratio of energy to charge, specifically exploring the reasoning behind this definition and its mathematical implications. Participants examine the relationship between voltage, energy, and charge within the context of electrical concepts and principles.

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  • Some participants question the origins of the definition of voltage as ##v = \frac{dw}{dq}## and whether it was derived mathematically or defined arbitrarily.
  • One participant draws an analogy between electric potential and gravitational potential energy, suggesting that the electric field can be understood in terms of force per charge and its conservative nature.
  • Another participant discusses how the energy per charge remains constant when adding charges in a field, indicating that the ratio of energy to charge is a useful definition.
  • A participant explains that the Volt is fundamentally based on energy, illustrating that moving a charge between two points with a certain voltage requires a specific amount of energy, regardless of the distance between the points.
  • Some participants find the definition of voltage to be reasonable and natural when considering the relationship between power, voltage, and current.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of establishing fundamental state variables and parameters in electrical discussions, noting the evolution of terminology and its internal consistency.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the definition of voltage and its implications, with no consensus reached on the origins or necessity of the definition. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation and significance of voltage in relation to energy and charge.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of electric fields and the definitions of related terms, which may not be universally agreed upon. The mathematical relationships presented are contingent on specific definitions and contexts.

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When you say ##i = \frac{dq}{dt}## it makes sense since current is the flow of charge over time. But why was voltage defined as
##v = \frac{dw}{dq}## ? What made physicians define it in this way? Is there a mathematical way that can lead to this definition or
did they define voltage just on the spot?
 
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Hi,

Yes: via force. Completely analogous to gravitational force and gravitational potential energy:

Electric field is force per charge.
Field is conservative so you can define a potential V with E as the spatial derivative of V.

Force times ##dx## is energy; force per charge times ##dx## is energy/charge.
 
It is a useful definition. Put a charge q at some point in a field where the potential is w. Now add a second charge of the same amount and sign. The charge is 2q, the potential is 2w, but the energy/charge remains unchanged. We call that ratio E (I don't like using v for that meaning.)
 
The Volt is based on Energy. A given charge (say 1 Coulomb) will require 1 Joule of Energy to move it between two plates with 1 Volt across them. It doesn't matter what the separation is; spread them wide and the Field is low and the Force is small but moved over a large distance ; bring them close together and the Force will be huge but the distance small. In both cases, the Force times Distance will still be 1J.
In another lab on another planet, the sizes of the units will be different so there's nothing particularly significant about the 1C,1J and 1V. It's just particularly convenient.
 
For those familiar with i=dq/dt and p=v*i, the definition v=dw/dq is natural and reasonable because p= v*i =(dw/dq)*(dq/dt) = dw/dt.
 
babaliaris said:
When you say ##i = \frac{dq}{dt}## it makes sense since current is the flow of charge over time. But why was voltage defined as
##v = \frac{dw}{dq}## ? What made physicians define it in this way? Is there a mathematical way that can lead to this definition or
did they define voltage just on the spot?
Well, ##\frac{dw}{dq}## is something. You could call it anything.

Whatever you call it, it has the same role to play in physics, which is determined by its definition alone; and not by what name you give it.
 
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In order to reason, explain and discuss electrical things it is necessary to identify or construct a minimum set of what appear to be fundamental state variables and parameters, then give them agreed names and units. Our collection of terms has evolved over the ages to be internally consistent and functional.

From a component point of view, capacitance is defined as the ratio of charge to voltage;
C = Q / V; and the energy stored is; E = ½ · C · V²
Eliminate C, and you get; E = ½ · Q / · V ;
∴ E / Q = ½ · V
 
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