Why Does Wire Orientation Affect the Motor Effect in Electromagnets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of wire orientation in relation to magnetic fields, specifically focusing on why electromagnetic wires do not experience a motor effect when aligned parallel to a magnetic field and the implications of wire thickness on the so-called "catapult effect." The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why an electromagnetic wire does not experience a motor effect when it is parallel to the magnetic field of a permanent magnet.
  • Another participant describes the "catapult effect" as a phenomenon where a current through two wires connected by a loose wire is propelled horizontally away from a magnetic field.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the idea that a thicker wire could increase the catapult effect and requests references to support this claim.
  • One participant suggests that the discussion may relate to the Lorentz Force, indicating a need for clarification on how a larger mass of conductor could incur a greater force compared to a smaller one with the same current.
  • Another participant proposes that eddy currents might be a factor in understanding the effects of wire thickness.
  • A participant provides a conceptual explanation regarding the lack of motor effect when magnetic fields are aligned, suggesting that the magnetic fields are "in sync" and therefore do not induce movement.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and curiosity about the concepts discussed, with no consensus reached on the reasons behind the motor effect or the implications of wire thickness. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

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Some terms used, such as "catapult effect" and "motor effect," may not be universally recognized, leading to potential confusion. The discussion also touches on concepts like the Lorentz Force and eddy currents without fully resolving their implications.

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Hii... can someone explain to me why the electromagnetic wire doesn't experience any motor effect when in parallel to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet? And why does a thicker wire increases the catapult effect?
Ty in advance :)
 
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I had to look up the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catapult_effect said:
In electromagnetics, the catapult effect is a phenomenon occurring when a current is passed through two wires connected by a loose wire in a magnetic field. The loose wire is then catapultedhorizontally away from the magnetic field. This occurs due to the magnetic forces acting in the wires and in the magnetic field itself.
 
Josielle Abdilla said:
And why does a thicker wire increases the catapult effect?
That sounds counter-intuitive... do you have a reference which shows this? Like anorlunda, I'm unfamiliar with this subject.
 
anorlunda said:
I suspect that the real topic is the Lorentz Force
I assumed that, but I'm curious how a larger mass of conductor would incur a greater force... A larger current obviously would but a larger conductor with the same current? Suprising.

The only thing I can think of is eddy currents.
 
Josielle Abdilla said:
Hii... can someone explain to me why the electromagnetic wire doesn't experience any motor effect when in parallel to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet? And why does a thicker wire increases the catapult effect?
Ty in advance :)
Your first question is quite obvious. Imagine an electromagnet exerting a magnetic field towards the right. This means, that for practical purposes, it has a magnetic field going to the right. Then, we have a magnet also exerting its magnetic field to the right. Both the magnetic fields are "in sync" with each other. There is no motive for either magnetic fields to move at all. They are perfect.

As for your second question, I don't think I have the expertise.
 

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