Why doesn't a biconvex lens cancel itself out and not change the light beam?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of light as it passes through a biconvex lens, specifically questioning why the light does not simply cancel out and remain unchanged when two convex lenses are placed back to back. The scope includes conceptual understanding of optics and lens behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since a biconvex lens consists of two convex lenses back to back, the light should converge and then diverge, resulting in no net change to the light beam.
  • Another participant challenges this reasoning, stating that the light does not simply cancel out and questions the logic of the proposed 'cancelling out effect'.
  • A third participant provides a resource, a lens simulation program, for further exploration of lens behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of light through a biconvex lens, with no consensus reached on the explanation of the observed phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about lens behavior and light propagation may be implicit in the discussion, and the reasoning presented relies on interpretations of optical principles that may not be universally agreed upon.

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When you have a biconvex, i.e. two convex lens' back to back, doesn't the light beam just come out straight?

Since one convex lens is back to back with another, essentially it is a convex lens, followed by a concave lens. The light would first hit the convex lens, and the light would converge. Then the light would hit the concave lens, and the light would diverge.

This is what happens when the light ray hits each of these independently, yet for some reason when they are back to back (i.e. a biconvex lens) the light gets super converged.

I would think that the light would converge, then it would diverge, and thus be back to what it was originally.

If you take a convex lens and it converges the light coming onto it, then if you flip the lens so the light is coming in the opposite side, the light would diverge would it not?
 
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theonlywalks said:
When you have a biconvex, i.e. two convex lens' back to back, doesn't the light beam just come out straight?

Since one convex lens is back to back with another, essentially it is a convex lens, followed by a concave lens. The light would first hit the convex lens, and the light would converge. Then the light would hit the concave lens, and the light would diverge.
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You only have to look at any simple lens / ray path diagram to see that you can't possibly be right. What 'cancelling out effect' is there? If you turn right then turn right again, you don't end up going straight!
If in doubt look at Google / Wikkers
 

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