Why doesn't intense infrared radiation from a fire harm your eyes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of infrared radiation from campfires on eye health, comparing it to the harmful effects of sunlight. Participants explore the intensity of infrared light, the mechanisms of eye damage, and the differences in radiation emitted by campfires versus the sun.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that infrared light can damage eyes, citing examples like infrared lasers.
  • Others argue that the sun emits much more intense radiation than a campfire, which may explain the difference in eye safety.
  • It is suggested that the intensity of light from a campfire may be perceived as high due to warming effects, but the actual energy density is lower compared to sunlight.
  • Some participants note that infrared light in the near-infrared range can be focused on the retina, potentially causing damage without pain receptors to signal harm.
  • There is a discussion about the wavelengths of infrared light, with some indicating that longer wavelengths are absorbed by the cornea and less likely to cause damage.
  • One participant mentions that prolonged exposure to infrared radiation can lead to conditions like "Glass blower's cataracts."
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between wattage/m² and the potential for eye damage, suggesting that the mechanism of damage may differ between infrared and visible light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the conclusions regarding the safety of infrared radiation from campfires compared to sunlight. Multiple competing views remain about the mechanisms of eye damage and the intensity of radiation involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about the intensity and wavelength of radiation, as well as the subjective experience of light intensity. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of how different wavelengths interact with eye tissues.

  • #31
Drakkith said:
I'm not sure Lsos. Unless the cells are getting killed, then I'm not sure what the problem would be.
Cells don't need to die for you to feel pain/discomfort. I have sensitive eyes and if I'm not wearing sunglasses on a bright day I feel discomfort even if I'm facing away from the sun!
 
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  • #32
russ_watters said:
Cells don't need to die for you to feel pain/discomfort. I have sensitive eyes and if I'm not wearing sunglasses on a bright day I feel discomfort even if I'm facing away from the sun!

Sure, but acute damage to your eyes via sunlight would only result from dead cells right?
 
  • #33
Lsos said:
<snip>Just from experience, the natural tendency for you to not stare at the sun seems to be down to its brightness, not its UV output.

You are referring to the aversion reflex- that is generated by light hitting the retina, and so is not generated by UV light. Nonetheless- sunlight, in the 400-1400nm spectral region, is of insufficient brightness to physically damage your retina according to experiments on rabbit retinas.
 
  • #34
DaleSwanson said:
The other night I was watching a campfire and the infrared light from it was intense enough that it warmed my face quite a bit, almost uncomfortably. I must have been receiving quite a bit of invisible light in my eyes, but there was no damage (and I've never heard any warning about watching campfires being dangerous to eyes).

On the other hand, light from the Sun would not warm my skin as much as the fire did, yet looking directly at the Sun would damage my eyes. Also, I know that infrared lasers can be quite an eye hazard because your eyes don't respond to limit the light at all.

This leads me to believe the following conclusions: A. Infrared light can damage your eyes. B. The intensity of light received from a campfire can be higher than from the Sun. C. Even if there is more intense light from a campfire, it is safer than light from the Sun.

Why isn't light from a campfire a danger to your eyes?

Infrared radiations are radiations with wavelength about 1nm -3000nm, and with different divisions like Near(.75-1.4), Short(1.4-3), Mid(3-8), Long(8-15) and Far(15-1000) all values are in nm. Now if you are talking about radiations coming from sun, then first of all they are about 2500nm +, secondly radiations are of extremely high intensity, last but not the least they are coming from a source having area larger then area of earth. Further infrared radiations coming from a camp fire is not completely harm less they will harm your eyes but because they are coming from a small source in cool surroundings with less wavelength it will not look like harming instantly.

And about Infrared radiations even we release infrared radiations, then it doesn’t mean if you are looking at someone continually then your eyes will get damaged due to infrared radiations releasing by that person.
 

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