Why electric field is zero inside a conductor?

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The discussion centers on the question of why the electric field is zero inside a conductor, exploring both theoretical explanations, including Gauss's law, and practical scenarios where an electric field might exist within a conductor. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical reasoning related to electrostatics and current flow.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that in electrostatics, the electric field inside a perfect conductor is zero because charges redistribute to eliminate any internal field.
  • Others propose that it is possible to create an electric field inside a conductor by applying an external voltage, which leads to current flow and is outside the realm of electrostatics.
  • One participant explains the application of Gauss's law, stating that if the electric field is zero inside the conductor, then there can be no net charge within a Gaussian surface inside the conductor.
  • Another participant challenges the use of Gauss's law in scenarios involving moving charges, arguing that the presence of an electric field would cause charges to move, contradicting the electrostatic condition.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that if the electric field is non-zero, currents will form quickly, leading to energy dissipation, and thus the electric field approaches zero in steady-state conditions.
  • One participant mentions that electric lines of force can cancel each other out, contributing to the understanding of why the net electric field inside a conductor is zero.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of Gauss's law and the conditions under which an electric field can exist inside a conductor. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of electrostatics and the conditions under which the electric field is considered, as well as the unresolved nature of how currents interact with electric fields in conductors.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, electrical engineering, and related fields who are exploring the principles of electrostatics and current flow in conductors.

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1.Why electric field is zero inside a conductor? Can anyone explain it with Gauss's law and without Gauss's law?

2.Is it possible to create electric field inside a conductor? If so,how and in which condition it is created?
 
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1. In electrostatics the electric field is 0 inside a perfect conductor because otherwise there would be moving charges. The charges must redistribute themselves to make a net electric field inside the conductor 0.

2. It is possible to have an electric field inside a conductor. You can put one there by e.g. using a battery. The trick is that this prompts charges to move inside the conductor and therefore a current to develop. This is no longer electrostatics.
 
Well,I got this.But how you will explain this with Gauss's law?Explain why electric field is zero inside a conductor by the help of Gauss's law.

Now if i ask,why charges are always distributed on the surface?Why there is no charge inside the conductor?I prepared like this...

Consider a gaussian surface inside the conductor A (see the figure attached).As electric field is zero inside the conductor,Gauss's law requires that there could be no net charge inside the surface.Now imagine shrinking the surface like a collapsing balloon until it encloses a region so small that we may consider it as a point.Then the charge at that point must be zero.We can do this anywhere inside the conductor,so there could be no excess charge an any point within a solid conductor.Any excess charge must reside on the conductor surface.
 

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Gauss' Law can not be used since as stated that is for an electrostatic condition. In other words it is not used when you have a moving charge. If you have a charge within an electric field that puts a force on that charge. If it is free to move it will move due to that force. In your illustration each charge would create its own electric field that other charges will react to. All of the charges push against all of the other charges and they end up on the outer boundary of the conductor where they cannot move away from each other any further.
 
Ohm's law (differential form) \textbf{j}=\sigma\textbf{E}
If E is not zero, then a current will very quickly form in a conductor. If the conductor is surrounded by insulator, then charge can't escape from the conductor, so you can't have net current escaping from the conductor. Therefore, the flux of E over the surface of the conductor is 0.

There's no law that says E is zero inside the conductor, but it goes to 0 very quickly in steady state or slowly varying conditions. Internal E field will generate internal currents, which will quickly dissipate electrical energy into heat via internal resistance.
 
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Lines of force cancel each other

We all know that the charge enclosed by a surface gives the sum of electirc lines of force.BUt we have to remember that lines of force can cancel each other.Keeping that in mind and also the fact that,an isolated conductor has chaged particles oriented in random direction,the lines of force can cancel each other and hence integrating the lines force over a surface integral,we get 0
 

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