Why Iron Glows: Light, Heat & Electrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of why iron glows, focusing on the relationship between light, heat, and electron behavior in atoms. Participants explore concepts related to atomic vibrations, electromagnetic radiation, and the nature of light emission in heated versus non-heated materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the glow of iron is related to photons emitted by electrons transitioning between orbits in the atom.
  • Another participant explains that heating a material causes atoms and molecules to vibrate, producing electromagnetic (EM) radiation, which becomes visible as the material is heated further.
  • A subsequent reply seeks clarification on whether the EM radiation is indeed from photons emitted by electrons.
  • A different participant counters this by stating that vibrations in the lattice do not involve atomic transitions and that light emission can occur from oscillating charges in the lattice, producing a continuous spectrum rather than discrete emissions.
  • One participant acknowledges the clarity of the previous explanation, expressing appreciation for the focused answer.
  • Another point raised mentions that non-heated iron also glows, albeit with fewer photons in the visible range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind light emission in heated versus non-heated iron, with some asserting that atomic transitions are not involved in the glow, while others suggest a connection to electron behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the processes involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms like "vibration" and "atomic transition," as well as the dependence on specific conditions under which light emission occurs. These aspects remain unresolved.

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Does it something to do with photons emitted by electrons when going down orbits around the atom?

And why it glows in red color?

Is it light and heat two faces of the same thing?

Sorry if the question is ,apparently, too plain. :biggrin:
 
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When you heat a material, you cause the atoms and molecules that make up the material to vibrate (a solid is made up of a lattice of ions at roughly fixed locations in the material, so they vibrate around these points). This vibration produces EM radiation. A slow vibration produces long wavelength. As you heat the material more, it vibrates faster, the wavelength of the EM radiation becomes shorter until it reaches the visible spectrum. That's why you start seeing this radiation.

Most people don't realize that this is the reverse of what happens when light hits an opaque material. Here, light hits the solid, gets absorbed by the lattice vibration (see the FAQ in General Physics) and converted to heat. This is exactly the reverse of what is happening here, where heat casues the lattice vibration and results in light emission.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
This vibration produces EM radiation

Ok, I understand, so that EM radiaton comes from photons emitted by electrons?
 
Tachyon son said:
Ok, I understand, so that EM radiaton comes from photons emitted by electrons?

No, it doesn't. Notice I didn't mention anything about emission by electrons.

A "vibration" is not the same as "atomic transition". I think most people are somehow convinced that the only way light can be emitted is when an excited atom makes a transition. That is what I tried to debunk when I wrote the FAQ for photon transport in a solid. The same goes here.

There is no atomic transition here. The "vibration" causes the lattice ions that are surrounded by the valence electrons to vibrate. At the naive level, these are similar to dipole radiation. You have a chain of + - + - and they start vibrating. This is similar to an oscilating charge, and oscillating charge produces EM radiation.

Look at the spectrum from your incandescent light bulb. It produces a CONTINUOUS band of light, not discrete like what you expect from an atomic transition (i.e. compare that with what you would get from a He discharge tube, for instance). The spectrum is different. The light emission from each of them comes from different processes.

Zz.
 
Nice focused answer, thanks! :smile:
 
Incidentally, a nonheated iron also glows - just with very few photons in the visible range.
 

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