Why is a projectile a parabola not a semicircle

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The discussion revolves around the shape of the trajectory of a projectile, specifically why it is described as a parabola rather than a semicircle. Participants explore the implications of gravitational forces, air resistance, and idealized conditions in determining the path of projectiles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that projectiles follow a parabolic path under the assumption of constant gravitational force and neglecting air resistance.
  • Others argue that the trajectory can be circular or elliptical under certain conditions, such as sufficient energy to achieve orbit or when considering the gravitational field's spherical symmetry.
  • A participant mentions that the parabolic path is an approximation, suitable for many practical calculations but not universally applicable.
  • Some contributions highlight that the trajectory cannot be a semicircle unless the initial velocity is vertical, which contradicts the horizontal component necessary for projectile motion.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of air resistance, which complicates the idealized parabolic model and affects the range of the projectile.
  • Mathematical expressions are provided to illustrate how the equations of motion lead to a parabolic trajectory under ideal conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the shape of the projectile's path, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved. There is no consensus on whether the parabolic approximation is sufficient or if other trajectories should be considered under different conditions.

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Limitations include the assumptions of neglecting air resistance and the simplification of gravitational effects as constant. The discussion also touches on the complexities introduced by varying conditions, such as the scale of motion relative to planetary size.

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This sounds like a dumb question. I have come to accept projectiles form parabolas but I need someone to explain why they form this shape
 
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Because the force of gravitational acceleration is stronger than the deceleration the projectile experiences. When you view the middle of the flight path, you are dealing with the moments when the vertical velocities are the slowest and horizontal forces appear much more powerful, so that section could be mistaken by the naked eye for a circular path. But the forces are not balanced, so it is parabolic.
 
The parabola is the shape that arises when "the slope of its tangent (which is related to the velocity) changes linearly with time"... [i.e. constant acceleration].
 
Ben Negus said:
This sounds like a dumb question. I have come to accept projectiles form parabolas but I need someone to explain why they form this shape
A projectile is not a parabola, as your thread title states -- the path of a projectile is a parabola in shape, provided that you don't take into account air resistance. The simplistic assumption for determining the path of a projectile is that the horizontal component of its velocity is constant, and that the only force on the projectile is due to gravity. In fact, air resistance affects the horizontal component of velocity, so the range will be less than what is predicted from a parabolic path.
 
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Mark44 said:
the path of a projectile is a parabola in shape, provided that you don't take into account air resistance.
To be pedantic, it depends...

If your projectile has enough energy to go into orbit, the path will be a circle (or a descending spiral).
 
Svein said:
To be pedantic, it depends...

If your projectile has enough energy to go into orbit, the path will be a circle (or a descending spiral).
Good point...
 
Ben Negus said:
This sounds like a dumb question. I have come to accept projectiles form parabolas but I need someone to explain why they form this shape

Motion under gravity can be decribed by:

##v_x = vcos(\theta)## and ##v_y = vsin(\theta) - gt## where ##v## is the projectile's initial velocity at an angle ##\theta## and ##g## is the force of gravity

The ##x## and ##y## coordinates of the motion at time ##t## are given by:

##x = vtcos(\theta)## and ##y = vtsin(\theta) - \frac{1}{2}gt^2##

With a bit of algebra, which I leave to you as an exercise, you can eliminate ##t## to give:

##y = xtan(\theta) - x^2\frac{g}{2v^2}sec^2(\theta)##

This is of the form:

##y = ax - bx^2## with ##a## and ##b## constants. And that's a parabola.
 
Mark44 said:
A projectile is not a parabola, as your thread title states -- the path of a projectile is a parabola in shape, provided that you don't take into account air resistance. The simplistic assumption for determining the path of a projectile is that the horizontal component of its velocity is constant, and that the only force on the projectile is due to gravity. In fact, air resistance affects the horizontal component of velocity, so the range will be less than what is predicted from a parabolic path.

Neglecting air resistance, isn't the "orbit" of the projectile part of an ellipse.

An actual parabolic path would have to have escape velocity.

The parabolic path of a projectile is actually an approximation.
 
256bits said:
The parabolic path of a projectile is actually an approximation.
Yes, but good enough for calculating the path of a thrown stone at sea level on Earth.
 
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Ben Negus said:
This sounds like a dumb question. I have come to accept projectiles form parabolas but I need someone to explain why they form this shape

Under idealized conditions (vacuum, spherical symmetry of the gravitational field) it is in fact an ellipse. For short distances parabolas are very good approximations but in exceptional cases it can also be a circle (circular orbit). In reality it is much more complicate.
 
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Regarding your title, even if the trajectory were a segment of circle, it could not be a semicircle. If it were, the initial velocity had to be vertical (tangent to the semicircle). But in this case there will be no horizontal component of the velocity.
 
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Assuming no atmosphers, then the path of a projectile is really a portion of an ellipse (assuming it's not at or above escape velocity). A parabola is an approximation that treats a gravitational field as constant and uni-directional, such as the field from an infinitely large flat plane. For an object that doesnt' travel significantly (vertically or horizontally) relative to the size of a planet, then a parabola is close enough.
 

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