Why is air not the best insulation for homes?

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The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of air as an insulator in home construction, particularly in comparison to other insulating materials. Participants explore concepts of thermal conductivity, convection, and the impact of humidity on insulation performance.

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  • Some participants note that while air has poor thermal conductivity, it can be a good insulator if it remains stationary; otherwise, convection can significantly reduce its insulating properties.
  • There is a suggestion that the effectiveness of air as an insulator is compromised by convection loops that can form in empty spaces between walls.
  • One participant raises a question about the thermal conductivity of non-stationary air and how it compares to that of water, suggesting that both require stationary conditions to be effective insulators.
  • Another participant mentions the convection heat transfer coefficient as a measure for non-stationary air, indicating that it depends on factors like air velocity and object geometry.
  • There is a claim that water is not a good insulator due to its higher thermal conductivity compared to air, and density is highlighted as a significant factor in insulation effectiveness.
  • Participants discuss the three types of heat transfer—conductive, convective, and radiant—and how moisture in the air can enhance convective heat transfer, potentially undermining insulation quality.
  • One participant suggests that techniques to reduce humidity around insulation can improve its effectiveness, indicating a practical aspect of insulation in home construction.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of air and water as insulators, with some agreeing on the necessity of stationary conditions for effective insulation, while others highlight the complexities introduced by convection and humidity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for insulation in home construction.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the impact of humidity on insulation effectiveness and the varying definitions of effective thermal conductivity in different contexts.

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So I've been curious about thermal conductivity lately, and came across a good reference that showed the conductivity of various materials.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html

It says that air has very poor thermal conductivity (in other words, it acts as an insulator), and is actually so bad that it is the 6th worst on the list. Also on the list were various 'insulators'. Fiberglass, wool insulation, kapok insulation, etc. Now for my question. If air were truly such a great insulator, then why do home builders blow insulation into the walls and in the attic? The whole purpose of insulation is to completely decouple the home temperature from the outside temperature, correct? According to this list, air would do a better job than anything they blow into the walls. What gives?
 
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Air is a good insulator, but with one caveat: it has to be stationary to be a good insulator. If you have an empty gap between an inside wall and an outside wall, instead of heat flowing via conduction out from the inside wall to the outside wall, the air flows up the inside wall and back down the outside wall in a convection loop.

The purpose, then, of all types of insulating media is to stabilize air while providing as little of their own matter as possible to conduct heat.
 
Thanks for the quick response. I guess the same can be said for water too then, right? It's only a decent insulator if it's stationary. Is there any way to measure what the effective 'thermal conductivity' would be for non-stationary air? How much heat can moving air/water transfer?

I'm interested in this for another idea that's been floating around my head. If you apply a very cold plate to a closed container of liquid (say a can of soda), will the cold plate form convection currents in the liquid inside, thus allowing the liquid to cool evenly? Would there be a better way to transmit the cold from the plate into the center of the can?
 
velociraptor said:
Thanks for the quick response. I guess the same can be said for water too then, right? It's only a decent insulator if it's stationary. Is there any way to measure what the effective 'thermal conductivity' would be for non-stationary air? How much heat can moving air/water transfer?

I'm interested in this for another idea that's been floating around my head. If you apply a very cold plate to a closed container of liquid (say a can of soda), will the cold plate form convection currents in the liquid inside, thus allowing the liquid to cool evenly? Would there be a better way to transmit the cold from the plate into the center of the can?

The "thermal conductivity of non-stationay air" is called the convection heat transfer coefficient. It depends on a few factors such as : the air velocity,the object geometry, the air properties etc.
 
velociraptor said:
Thanks for the quick response. I guess the same can be said for water too then, right? It's only a decent insulator if it's stationary.
No, the thermal conductivity of water is much greater than for air. It is never a good insulator. Density really is a big factor.
Is there any way to measure what the effective 'thermal conductivity' would be for non-stationary air? How much heat can moving air/water transfer?
Sure, the measuring is easy. Trying to calculate it from scratch is what is hard. In my job (heating and air conditioning engineer), I do the measurements all the time.
I'm interested in this for another idea that's been floating around my head. If you apply a very cold plate to a closed container of liquid (say a can of soda), will the cold plate form convection currents in the liquid inside, thus allowing the liquid to cool evenly?
There will be convection and that will help make the transfer even, but it won't be completely even.
Would there be a better way to transmit the cold from the plate into the center of the can?
Well - a heat sink in the middle of the container or a wrap-around heat sink.
 
When your talking about insulation, you have to think about the three different types of heat transfer: conductive, convective and radiant. Although air is a poor conductor, the moisture in the air can make it move convective heat very efficiently. Then you have radiant heat which is the most efficient type of heat transfer, which is more of a magnetic ray that move through air regardless of the motion.

A http://www.raflect.com" is very effective at stopping radiant heat transfer as is a r39 insulation.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/roofs+walls/insulation/ins_01.html" are used to stop conductive heat transfer.
 
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Humidity can play a significant role in the quality of insulation. The drier the air within and surrounding the insulation, the better.
Home construction techniques to reduce humidity from reaching high levels within and around insulation is often employed, so browsing web-sites involving do-it-yourself home insulation can be a valuable resource.
 

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