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The discussion centers on the significant trade imbalance between the EU and China, which stands at -156.3 billion euros. Despite this deficit, the EU has agreed to avoid trade protectionist measures with China, largely due to China's investment in EU bonds and euro-denominated assets. Concerns are raised about the EU's economic sovereignty, suggesting that it is compromising its financial power by allowing foreign investments to dominate. Comparisons are made with Japan, which has a high public debt-to-GDP ratio, but where the majority of the debt is owned domestically, ensuring that interest payments benefit Japanese citizens. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of trade balances, particularly between the US and China, and the reliance on foreign nations to fund debt. The US's ability to print money allows it to manage its debt differently than the EU, which may face inflationary pressures. Additionally, the discussion highlights the low returns on German bonds relative to inflation, questioning the viability of such investments for Europeans.
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The trade balance between EU and China is -156.3€ billions, yet today EU agreed with China (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/uk-eu-china-summit-idUKBRE88J0QR20120920) to avoid trade protectionist measures. They keep doing this because China keeps buying EU countries' bonds and has many euro-denominated assets. I honestly think EU is selling itself, by giving money and economic power to foreigners. And this could be handled differently even with the debt EU countries have. For example, Japan is the country who has the most public debt to GDP (230% in 2011 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt), well ahead European Union's. But the difference is that Japan's debt is mostly owned by the Japanese (http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/MONEY/2012-01-08-PNI0101biz-ask-stevePNIBrd_ST_U.htm), so the interest money goes to their citizens.

The trade balance of China and US is also terrible for US. What is the West doing? Where does this irrationality come from?
 
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Perhaps the moment in Britain's decline that American policy makers should be focussing upon is 1956. During the crisis caused by an Anglo-French invasion of Egypt, the US stopped the fighting by threatening to pull the plug on the British economy.

It marked the end of Britain's ability to act as an independent global power, and it was the country's indebtedness to the US that caused it.
 
Tosh5457 said:
The trade balance between EU and China is -156.3€ billions, yet today EU agreed with China (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/uk-eu-china-summit-idUKBRE88J0QR20120920) to avoid trade protectionist measures. They keep doing this because China keeps buying EU countries' bonds and has many euro-denominated assets. I honestly think EU is selling itself, by giving money and economic power to foreigners. And this could be handled differently even with the debt EU countries have. For example, Japan is the country who has the most public debt to GDP (230% in 2011 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt), well ahead European Union's. But the difference is that Japan's debt is mostly owned by the Japanese (http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/MONEY/2012-01-08-PNI0101biz-ask-stevePNIBrd_ST_U.htm), so the interest money goes to their citizens.

The trade balance of China and US is also terrible for US. What is the West doing? Where does this irrationality come from?

What is their trade debt holdings of foreign nations vs debt out?

For example, $4.74 trillion of US debt was owned by foreign countries. And the US owns about $6.76 trillion of foreign debt.

http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/pages/tg1285.ASPX
 
Everyone is out of ideas as to who will fund more massive spending debt. China is handy and so having them buy the debt allows the leaders in the West kick the can down the road a little longer. The US prints its own money so it can monetize its debt at the cost of inflation. The EU may make moves in that direction as well.
 
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German 10 year bonds offer 1,5% per year, while in the same time inflation should be round 2% (now it's 2,2%)

It means that effectively you would pay Germans 4,8% of your deposit in real terms for asking them to keep it for ten years. Do you consider that as a poor business for those in Europe? (not mentioning gains from increased trade exchange)
 
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