Why is Proving Equality in the Schwarz Inequality Problem Challenging?

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The discussion revolves around proving aspects of the Schwarz Inequality as presented in Spivak's Calculus. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the conditions under which equality can be established, particularly in relation to previous parts of the problem that assume different scenarios.

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  • The original poster questions the validity of proving equality in the context of the assumptions made in part a) of the problem. They express concern that these assumptions contradict the requirements for proving the inequality. Other participants discuss the implications of proving "less than" versus "less than or equal to" and the nuances of mathematical inequalities.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between different forms of inequalities and the conditions necessary for proving them. There is no explicit consensus, but various perspectives on the nature of the proof and the assumptions involved are being shared.

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The original poster notes that part d) of the problem requires deducing conditions for equality that seem to contradict the assumptions made in part a). This raises questions about the completeness of the proof under the given constraints.

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From Spivak's Calculus Chapter 1:

"Suppose that y_1 and y_2 are not both 0, and that there is no number λ such that x_1 = λy_1 and x_2 = λy_2."

Then 0<(λy_1 - x_1)^2 + (λy_2 - x_2)^2.

Using problem 18 (which involved proofs related to inequalities like x^2 + xy + y^2), complete the proof of the Schwarz Inequality.

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None strike me.

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The thing that's really bothering me about this is that the problem I've given is just part a) of the problem. In part d) I am asked to "Deduce...that equality holds only when y_1 = y_2 = 0 or when there is a number λ \geq 0 such that x_1 = λy_1 and x_2 = λy_2. Well, in a) he asked me to assume that both of those things were not true to start my proof. Doesn't this mean that, starting with those conditions, one cannot prove that equality is possible, and thus one can't prove the entirety of the Schwarz inequality (as in, the less than or equal to part)?
 
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Yes assuming what is given, you could prove that [math]|<x, y>|< <x, x><y, y>[/math] while the "Cauchy-Schwarts" inequality only asserts "\le".

However, if you could prove "less than" you would have proved "less than or equal two". The latter is a subset of the former.
 
I guess my issue is that when I think of proving that something is "less than or equal to" something else, I feel like I have to prove that it could be either less than or equal to that something else. It feels...sloppy not to. I guess that's my hang-up, though.
 
It is certainly correct to say that "3 is less than or equal to 4". Of course, that is not a very "sharp" inequality!
 

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