Why Is Substitution Failing in Integrating This Function?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced in integrating a function involving a square root and polynomial expressions. Participants are exploring various substitution methods to simplify the integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants have attempted several substitutions, including ##u=\sqrt{16x-x^8}## and ##u=x^4##, but found them ineffective. There is a suggestion to reconsider the substitution based on the expression ##\sqrt{x(16-x^7)}##, indicating a potential oversight in the choice of u-substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative substitution suggestions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to simplify the expression further and consider different approaches, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can employ. There are indications that certain assumptions about the function's structure are being questioned.

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Homework Statement
Find
$$\int \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{16x-x^8}}dx$$
Relevant Equations
u - substitution

trigonometry substitution
I tried using substitution ##u=\sqrt{16x-x^8}##, didn't work

Tried factorize ##x## from the denominator and then used ##u=\sqrt{16-x^7}##, didn't work

Tried using ##u=x^4## also didn't work

How to approach this question? Thanks
 
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songoku said:
Tried factorize ##x## from the denominator and then used ##u=\sqrt{16-x^7}##, didn't work
This was the right approach, but your u-sub is too fancy. Use a different u-sub from the expression ##\sqrt{x(16-x^7)}##.
It falls into place after that. In this problem you'll have to bring something back from outside the square root (which you'll see once you use the right U-sub), a complete the square, and a trig sub.
 
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Thank you very much for the help romsofia
 
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##u=\frac{x^{7/2}}{4}## looks promising
 
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