Why is the birefringence pattern in a car colorless?

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The discussion centers on the birefringence pattern observed in the rear window of a car when viewed through polarizing glasses. Participants explore why this pattern appears black and white, contrasting it with the colored fringes seen in other birefringent materials, such as plastic sheets. The conversation touches on the properties of tempered glass, the effects of light polarization, and the nature of retardation in different materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the broad spectrum of sunlight may cause the colors to be 'smeared' out, leading to the absence of distinct colors in the rear window.
  • Others note that car windows may consist of laminated glass with multiple layers, which could affect their photoelastic properties, while one participant specifically mentions the rear window as unlaminated.
  • There is a discussion about the thickness of the glass and its relationship to the appearance of colors, with references to the potential for a black and white or 'zebraic' extinction pattern in tempered glass.
  • Some participants reference the Michel-Levy chart to explain that low amounts of retardation (less than 1/4 λ) could result in low color saturation.
  • One participant describes the behavior of light when reflected off the window, suggesting that the window alters the polarization direction of incoming light, which interacts with polarized sunglasses.
  • Another participant explains the concept of isogyres and how the orientation of polarizers affects the visibility of the black and white pattern.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the absence of color in the birefringence pattern of the rear window, but no consensus is reached. Multiple competing views and explanations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the specific properties of tempered glass and the complexity of light behavior in relation to polarization, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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When looking through polarizing glasses at the rear window of a car (tempered glass), a black and white pattern appears. Supposedly, this is the same kind of birefringence that causes colored fringes in a plastic sheet, seen through a polarizer. It is clear that retardation and interference in the plastic sheet results in colored fringes. What is so different about the rear window of a car that prevents the colors?

rearwindow.jpg

Lcd display seen through rear window and polarizer
 
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Offhand, I would say it's because sunlight has a broad spectrum- the colors are 'smeared' out.
 
For comparison, a photo of a birefrigent cd case, seen through the same polarizer, and looking at the same polarized lightsource (an lcd display) in the background. Color appears because birefringence means retardation. Why is a birefringent rear window different?

cdcase.jpg
 
Good point.

Car windows are sometimes laminated glass, not a single sheet of plastic. There can be multiple layers of plastic, glass, and adhesive films present, and no doubt this has an effect on the photoelastic properties of the window. Even 'simple' tempered glass can have complex photoelastic properties:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0957-0233/23/2/025601/pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-1305.2008.00422.x/pdf

The second reference mentions that the characteristic pattern observed through car windows may not be correlated with internal stress.
 
My question was about the rear window, which is unlaminated, without an adhesive film. It was not about the laminated front window because the black and white pattern doesn't appear there.

The old prototype of tempered glass, Prince Rupert's drop (click), apparently induces colors between crossed polarizers. Maybe tempered glass has a black and white or 'zebraic' extinction pattern if the thickness of the glass is about λ n/Δn, and do colors appear at greater thickness. I also noticed that polycarbonate cd disks induce a black and white 'Maltese' cross which is typical for uniaxial birefringent materials. Maybe somehow that's another explanation.

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Rupert's drop between crossed polarizers; image from the video by Smarter Every Day at 3m20s

cd_clear.jpg

Clear substrate cd disk between crossed polarizers: Maltese cross
 
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Well, now you've got me curious... this is more interesting than I thought.
 
spareine said:
When looking through polarizing glasses at the rear window of a car (tempered glass), a black and white pattern appears. Supposedly, this is the same kind of birefringence that causes colored fringes in a plastic sheet, seen through a polarizer. It is clear that retardation and interference in the plastic sheet results in colored fringes. What is so different about the rear window of a car that prevents the colors?

rearwindow.jpg

Lcd display seen through rear window and polarizer
If the sample is rotated 90 degrees does the light-dark areas change?
You might have to rotate the LCD screen and polarizer to get the rotation wrt the sample correctly done.

With the colored sample, rotate that one and the colored areas should change.

The usual explanation for the back window for reflected light is that the window changes the light to horizontal which your polarized sunglasses block out. The spotted areas reflect vertical light which your sunglasses do not block. Not frequency dependent it seems. Not really sure about vertical polarization. If one tilts their head sideways the polarized sunglasses would see black where the light areas are now. Does that happen? I have never tried.

Still curious.
 
Andy Resnick said:
One possibility is shown on the Michel-Levy chart: ... The color saturation is very low for low amounts (less than 1/4 wave) of retardation.
I agree that the absence of colors means that the retardation is less than 1/4 λ.

256bits said:
If the sample is rotated 90 degrees does the light-dark areas change?
You might have to rotate the LCD screen and polarizer to get the rotation wrt the sample correctly done.
90° rotation of the crossed polarizers (together) results in an identical black and white pattern.

256bits said:
The usual explanation for the back window for reflected light is that the window changes the light to horizontal which your polarized sunglasses block out. The spotted areas reflect vertical light which your sunglasses do not block. Not frequency dependent it seems.

Reflected light is slightly more complicated than transmitted light. For transmitted light, the black lines are the areas where the rear window does not change the polarization direction of the incoming light. The extinction is caused by the crossed polarizers.

Apparently the black curvy lines are the so called isogyres. When rotating the crossed polarizers over 90° (together), it would turn out that each point of the window has its own polarizer angle α between 0° and 90° that makes it black. That is the privileged direction in that point. The perpendicular direction is privileged as well. The pair of privileged directions could be marked by drawing a small cross in each point of the window. By connecting the crosses the pair of privileged directions could be visualised as two lines systems on the window.

The two privileged directions are actually the slow polarization direction and the fast polarization direction in each point of the window. If the crossed polarizer direction is parallel to either, the extinction will be maintained, and that point will be black.
 

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