Why Is the Chandrasekhar Limit Estimated with Unrealistic Assumptions?

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The discussion centers on the Chandrasekhar limit and the assumptions used in its estimation, particularly the conditions of temperature and mass density. It critiques the reliance on unrealistic assumptions, such as uniform mass density and the condition p >> mc, even in more advanced calculations that yield a limit of 1.4 solar masses. The conversation reveals a misunderstanding regarding classical versus relativistic momentum, clarifying that p >> mc does not imply velocities exceeding the speed of light. The participants ultimately recognize that the relativistic framework allows for these conditions to be physically plausible. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of understanding relativistic effects in astrophysical contexts.
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Chadrasekhar limit

In my thermo text, we arrived at an estimate of the chandrasekhar limit using the assumptions T=0, uniform mass density and... p>>mc.

I can maaaaaybe accept that in the context of a very rough approximation, but then the text says, "A more realistic calculation, which does not suppose a uniform density, gives M_C=1.4 M_{\bigodot}". Thats means that in their so-called more realistic calculation, they still assume the unphysical p>>mc.

That someone explain that?
 
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quasar987 said:
I can maaaaaybe accept that in the context of a very rough approximation, but then the text says, "A more realistic calculation, which does not suppose a uniform density, gives M_C=1.4 M_{\bigodot}". Thats means that in their so-called more realistic calculation, they still assume the unphysical p>>mc.

If the momenta were not much greater than mc throughout much of the star, then the star would be sub-Chandrasekhar, practically by definition. Another way of thinking of the Chandrasekhar mass is the limit of relativistic degeneracy for a self-gravitating, electron-degenerate object.
 
Oh wait a sec. My problem is that I was thinking classically about momentum. p>>mc does not imply v>>c. So there is nothing unphysical about p>>mc.
 
quasar987 said:
In my thermo text, we arrived at an estimate of the chandrasekhar limit using the assumptions T=0, uniform mass density and... p>>mc.

Remember, in relativity, the spatial part of momentum is given by

<br /> p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}},<br />

not by the Newtonian expression p = mv.

Thu,s p &gt;&gt; mc when v &gt;&gt; c/\sqrt{2}, so v &gt; c is not needed.

Edit: While I was typing, you saw the light. :smile:
 
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