Why is the curl of the magnetic field zero in a vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the curl of the magnetic field is zero in a vacuum, exploring the implications of Maxwell's equations and the presence of currents and electric fields. The scope includes theoretical considerations related to electromagnetism and the behavior of magnetic fields in different contexts.

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  • One participant notes that in a vacuum, Ampere's Law indicates that the curl of the magnetic field is zero, leading to a specific expression for the grad-B drift of charged particles.
  • Another participant explains that Maxwell's equations relate the curl of the magnetic field to current density and the time derivative of the electric field, asserting that in a static region without currents, the curl of B is zero.
  • A participant questions how the electric field can remain static if there is a current elsewhere, suggesting that a changing electric field should be present due to distant currents.
  • In response, it is proposed that the current can be static, such as a DC current, or that there may be no current at all, as in the case of a magnetic field from a permanent magnet, leading to J=0 and ∂E/∂t=0 in the vacuum.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that sources of the magnetic field must exist, and in static cases, the curl of the magnetic field can be expressed in terms of magnetization, emphasizing that a magnetic field cannot be a globally gradient field.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of static and dynamic electric fields in relation to the presence of currents, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of the magnetic field in a vacuum.

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The discussion highlights assumptions about the presence of currents and electric fields, as well as the conditions under which the curl of the magnetic field is considered to be zero. There are unresolved questions regarding the influence of distant currents on local electric fields.

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In the wikipedia page for guiding center,the following lines are written about curvature drift of charged particles.
The expression for the grad-B drift above can be rewritten for the case when \nabla B is due to the curvature. This is most easily done by realizing that in a vacuum, Ampere's Law is \nabla\times\vec{B} = 0. In cylindrical coordinates chosen such that the azimuthal direction is parallel to the magnetic field and the radial direction is parallel to the gradient of the field, this becomes
<br /> \nabla\times\vec{B} = \frac{1}{r} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( r B_\theta \right) \hat{z} = 0 <br />
Sincer B_\thetais a constant, this implies that
<br /> \nabla B = - B \frac{\vec{R}_c}{R_c^2} <br />
and the grad-B drift velocity can be written
<br /> \vec{v}_{\nabla B} = -\frac{\epsilon_\perp}{q} \frac{\vec{B}\times \vec{R}_c}{R_c^2 B^2} <br />

My problem is the part that tells curl of B is zero in a vacuum.
Although I know Maxwell equations permit such a situation(with \vec{B}=\vec{B}(\mbox{only space variables}) \ and \ \vec{E}=0),I don't understand how that can happen.
Obviously a current has caused the existence of the magnetic field and so there should be a changing electric field.But there is no electric field and that seems strange to me.
I'll appreciate any ideas.
Thanks
 
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Maxwell's equation relates curl of B to density and to the time derivative of E. If you are in a region that as no currents (i.e., away from wires) and the fields are static (no time variation), then curl B = 0.
 
Well,I know that.
The problem is, how can the electric field be static when there is a current?(I know that we're assuming no current at the point we're calculating the curl of B at.But a current elsewhere produces a changing electric field everywhere.)
 
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The current can be static--a DC current from a battery, for instance. Or there may be no current at all, as when the magnetic field in your source-free region arises from a permanent magnet. Either way, J=0 in the vacuum and \frac{\partial \mathbf E}{\partial t}=0.
 
Somewhere should be sources of the magnetic field. In the static case you have
\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{H}=\vec{j}+\frac{1}{c} \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{M},
where \vec{M} is the magnetization of your permanent magnet. Of course, everywhere else, the curl vanishes, and there you can have locally a potential. Other than the elecric field a magnetic field can never be globally a gradient field!
 

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