Why is the Definition of Entropy Restricted to a Reversible Process?

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The definition of entropy is restricted to reversible processes due to the nature of entropy as a state function, which is independent of the path taken. The Clausius inequality indicates that the total entropy change is greater than zero for irreversible processes and equal to zero for reversible ones. The equation dS = dqrev/T highlights that while heat exchange in reversible processes is minimized, the entropy change is not necessarily zero. This understanding is crucial for grasping the relationship between work maximization and entropy in thermodynamic systems.

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Even though entropy is a state function and thus independent of path why is it that the definition of entropy is restricted to a reversible process?

Eq 1: dS=dqrev/T

First of all, is this for an open system, closed system or isolated system? The Clausius inequality deals with the exchange between the surroundings and the system so the total entropy change is always greater than zero for a irreversible process and equal to zero for a reversible one.

Eq 2: dS≥dqsystem/Tsurr.

I thought that this is because a reversible process progresses so slowly that it is always in equilibrium and that the change in entropy at equilibrium is zero. But the definition above (eq. 1), although q is reversible, is not necessarily zero.

One explanation I have gotten was that is that a reversible process minimizes heat and maximizes work. I understand this concept with engine performance and that reversible processes maximize work, but how this pertains to the definition of entropy I don't understand.
 
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The answers to all these questions are covered in the following short Physics Forums Insights article: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/understanding-entropy-2nd-law-thermodynamics/

I wrote this article specifically for people like yourself who are struggling with these concepts (because they are presented to poorly in the available textbooks and online literature). Please don't hesitate to ask any followup questions that you may have.

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