Why is the EMF Zero in a Uniformly Moving Coil Through a Magnetic Field?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of electromotive force (EMF) in a rectangular coil moving uniformly through a uniform magnetic field. Participants explore the conditions under which the EMF is zero, considering theoretical and mathematical perspectives.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the EMF is zero due to the trigonometric components in their calculation leading to a result of zero.
  • Another participant mentions the Lorentz force acting on charge carriers, indicating that opposing forces on different sides of the loop result in no induced current.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that a non-zero EMF requires a change in magnetic flux, which does not occur in this scenario as both the magnetic field and the coil's orientation remain constant.
  • One participant introduces the equation for non-stationary magnetism, implying that it may provide insight into the situation.
  • Another participant confirms that the EMF is zero and references Faraday's Law, discussing the importance of careful derivation and the role of magnetic flux in the analysis.
  • Further elaboration includes a detailed mathematical treatment of the relationship between the moving coil and the magnetic field, emphasizing that the magnetic flux does not change over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the EMF is zero under the given conditions, but there are differing explanations and interpretations regarding the underlying reasons and mathematical formulations. Some participants challenge or refine earlier claims without reaching a consensus on the best explanation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the Lorentz force and the implications of non-stationary magnetism. The discussion also reflects varying levels of mathematical rigor and assumptions about the definitions used in the analysis.

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A flat, rectangular coil of dimensions L and w is pulled with uniform speed v through a uniform magnetic field B with the plane of its area perpendicular to the field (the figure (Figure 1) ).How is the emf zero?

My reasons as to why it's zero:

the trig part forces the problem to be zero?

Emf Induced ===== (Enclosed Integral) (vBsin(90))*dl*cos(90) = 0

Thanks!
 

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I think I figured it out.

I have attached a photo of what I did.
 

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Think about the Lorentz force on the charge carriers. The direction of v x B in the opposite sides of the loop will oppose each other so there is no current induced.

Hope I understood the question correctly; I'm using the iPhone app, and I'm unable to view your pictures on my phone. :)
 
can you check out the third picture i posted. I four different integrals. they all canceled out to be zero.
 
A non zero EMF can only occur if there is a change in flux. Since the magnetic field here is constant, the area of the coil doesn't change and the orientation of the coil with respect to the magnetic field doesn't change, there is no change in flux and hence no induced EMF produced.
 
Mr.Atomizer,

What about the equation for non stationary magnetism.
Emf= integral of vXB(dot)dL
 
Non stationary Induced Emf sorry.
 
The electromotive force is 0 here. So your calculation is correct. This can also be immediately seen from Faraday's Law in integral form. To derive it one must be a bit carefull. It's wrong in many textbooks.

One always should start from the local (differential) form of the Lorentz invariant Maxwell equations. The Faraday Law in any inertial frame of reference reads
\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\partial_t \vec{B}.
Now let A be any area (time dependent or not) and \partial A its boundary. Further let the relative orientation of the surface elements and the boundary curve be defined in the standard way by the right-hand rule. Then, according to Stokes's theorem you have
\int_{\partial A} \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{E}=-\int_A \mathrm{d} \vec{A} \partial_t \vec{B}. \qquad (*)
Now the point is to bring the partial time derivative out of the integral. This, however gives two contributions: Besides the partial time derivative of the time-dependent magnetic field, it also contains a piece from the change of the moving surface. The result of the analysis is
\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \int_A \mathrm{d} \vec{A} \cdot \vec{B}=\int_A \mathrm{d} \vec{A} \cdot \partial_t \vec{B}-\int_{\partial A} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot (\vec{v} \times \vec{B}).
Here \vec{v}=\vec{v}(t,\vec{r}) is the velocity of the boundary-line element at the time and position (t,\vec{r}). The proof is given in the Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction#Proof_of_Faraday.27s_law

You have to open the box to see the proof.

Now we have the magnetic flux defined by the integral on the left-hand side,
\Phi(t)=\int_{A} \mathrm{d} \vec{A} \cdot \vec{B},
and then Faraday's Law (*) tells us
\int_{\partial A} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot (\vec{E}+\vec{v} \times \vec{B})=-\frac{\mathrm{d} \Phi}{\mathrm{d} t}.

In your case, because the magnetic field is homogeneous, the magnetic flux through the coil doesn't change with time and thus the EMF, i.e., the line integral on the left-hand side of the above equation, vanishes.
 

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