Why is the Voltage Induced in a Rotating Coil Sinusoidal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of the voltage induced in a rotating coil within a magnetic field, specifically why this induced voltage takes on a sinusoidal waveform. Participants explore the underlying physics, mathematical relationships, and potential variations in the waveform based on different conditions.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sine waves are fundamental to the physics of rotating objects, suggesting that various properties such as position, velocity, and acceleration can be described using sine functions.
  • One participant questions whether the magnetic flux between the North and South poles of a magnet corresponds to a half wave of a sinusoidal shape, proposing this as a reason for the sinusoidal induced voltage.
  • Another participant suggests that the magnetic flux may consist of multiple half waves of different amplitudes, indicating uncertainty about the consistency of the sinusoidal shape across different situations.
  • A later reply offers a series of steps to prove the relationship between rotating coils and sine waves, emphasizing the additive nature of magnetic fields and the properties of sine functions.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the induced voltage is always a perfect sine wave, particularly in relation to different magnet shapes and configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the induced voltage is always sinusoidal or if variations exist based on different conditions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the magnetic flux and its relationship to the induced voltage.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the magnetic field shapes and the conditions under which the induced voltage is analyzed. The discussion does not resolve whether the sinusoidal nature holds universally across all scenarios.

souky101
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Sinusoidal wave form ?

I am asking:

We know that if a coil rotates in a transverse magnetic field a sinusoidal voltage is induced between its terminals.

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My question now is:

Why it is exactly sinusoidal in the shape and not any other wave shape??

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Sine waves are fundamental to the physics of rotating objects. The sine wave is the basic description of a position on a rotating object. Whether you are talking about the distance of a point on the rotating object to some other place, its x-coordinate position, or its y-coordinate position, they will all have a sine wave in one form or another. Furthermore, the velocities and accelerations of a point on a constantly rotating object can be expressed with sine waves in some way.
 
If we look at the automotive alternator we find a rotating field ( produced by 2 poles -North and south) and stator conductor is stationary.
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Is the magnetic flux passes from the North pole to the south pole has a half wave of a sinusoidal shape - and that is why we get induced voltage of a sinusoidal shape ??
 
Yes.
 
Is the flux lines crossing from the North pole to the South pole have exactly "half wave shape" of a prefect sinusoidal wave form ??
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Do you have any reference supports that thought? / guessing??
 
An educated guess. If you want a proof that works in all situations, I recommend these steps:
1) prove that the sum of sines of the same period gives a sine of that period. That would be a basic trig fact.
2) prove that a single wire going in a circle in a magnetic field gives a sine. The fact that position and velocity components are sine functions should help.
3) show that any combination of wires and magnetic fields can be described as the sum of outputs from a single wire in a single magnetic field. This should follow from the fact that fields are additive.

I haven't looked for a reference, but I think you might find one with Google.
 
My question again in simplified way :

Is the magnetic flux passes from the North pole to the south pole of a magnet consists of group of " half waves of a perfect sinusoidal shape' with different amplitudes ?
 
souky101 said:
My question again in simplified way :

Is the magnetic flux passes from the North pole to the south pole of a magnet consists of group of " half waves of a perfect sinusoidal shape' with different amplitudes ?
When you get down to that basic question, I am not sure of the answer. I guess that I would be surprised if it was always a perfect sine wave in all situations -- for all shapes of magnets. But it still might be true. I will have to leave it to someone more expert in that subject.
 

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