Why is there a voltage drop across an impedance?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage drop across an impedance in electrical circuits, particularly focusing on the relationship between electrical potential energy, charge distribution, and the behavior of resistors in series and parallel configurations. Participants explore theoretical explanations and implications of voltage differences in circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines voltage as the difference in electrical potential energy per unit charge and questions how this relates to the voltage drop across components with impedance.
  • Another participant suggests that small charges form on each side of a resistor, creating an electric field that drives electrons through the resistor, implying a difference in charge distribution.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of having two 50 Ohm resistors in a circuit, with one participant asserting that the voltage drop indicates a difference in electrical potential energy per unit charge at each side of the resistor.
  • Some participants propose that the charge distribution could be more spread out on one side of the resistor, leading to confusion about the speed of charge movement through the circuit.
  • One participant clarifies that the behavior of voltage across resistors depends on whether they are connected in series or parallel, noting that in series, the voltage is shared while in parallel, it remains the same across each resistor.
  • A reference is made to Steinmetz's perspective on charge in conductors, suggesting that traditional notions may lead to misconceptions about electric circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of charge distribution and the implications of voltage drops across resistors. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for these phenomena, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of charge behavior in circuits and the potential for misconceptions regarding charge distribution and electric fields. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions in electrical theory.

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Firstly, there are lots of ways to word the definition of voltage, but the one that intuitively makes the most sense to me is as follows:

"One volt is when:
The difference in (electrical potential energy per unit charge (q)) between two places equals one."​

*per unit charge meaning the electrical potential energy a unit charge would have when put into this electric field, which was probably created by a big group of charge


In class we have been taught taught that there is a voltage drop across a component with an impedance because it either uses (transfers) energy (e.g a resistor dissipates heat energy) or it stores energy in another form (e.g an inductor stores energy in a magnetic field)

But this explanation doesn't really explain why there is a potential difference (a voltage) using the definition I gave at the start. If the definition I gave was correct that means that there is a difference in electrical potential energy per unit charge at each side of the component, and I cannot see how this can be true.

For example, say there is a 12 V battery and a 50 Ohm resistors in a simple circuit. the voltage across the resistor will be 12 V, I can see how this is true, as the way you measure the voltage across the resistor will be the same as the way you measure the voltage across the battery, and a battery has a different electrical potential energy per unit charge at each side because a chemical reaction causes there to be more electrons at the anode side of the battery meaning that there is more electrical potential per unit charge at this side.

However if there are two 50 Ohm resistors there will be 6 volts across each one. That means that at each side of one the resistors there is a different electrical potential energy per unit charge. This then means one of either 3 things; There is more charge at one side of the resistor than there is on the other, the charge is more spread out on one side of the resistor, or the charge is a different shape at one side of the resistor. Since charge in equals charge out of a resistor, and the charge manifests itself on the surface of the wire on each side of the resistor that means the answer is that the charge is more spread out on one side of the resistor.

This last paragraph is what confuses me. When I picture charge going through a circuit I do not picture it going faster or slower when coming out of components, but this must be the case in order for the charge to be more spread out on one side of the component. Is this correct?

Thanks!
 
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And if this is true, is there a way to calculate a scalar value for the divergence of charge at a particular point in a circuit made of wires and resistors?
 
When you connect a battery to a resistor, small charges will form on each side of the resistor, that will produce the electric field that will drive the electrons through the resistor. To get a net field, there has to be more charge on one side of the resistor than on the other side.
This charge is very small. about 10^(-11) coulomb would be enough to produce the field of 600 V/m that you would get if you put 6V across a resistor with a length of 1 cm.

This charge only influences the current by producing an electric field. It's only a very small part of the free charges in a conductor, or in the resistor.
 
However if there are two 50 Ohm resistors there will be 6 volts across each one. That means that at each side of one the resistors there is a different electrical potential energy per unit charge. This then means one of either 3 things; There is more charge at one side of the resistor than there is on the other, the charge is more spread out on one side of the resistor, or the charge is a different shape at one side of the resistor. Since charge in equals charge out of a resistor, and the charge manifests itself on the surface of the wire on each side of the resistor that means the answer is that the charge is more spread out on one side of the resistor.

This depends on whether the resistors are parallel or are in series. If they are in parallel, the voltage is the same across both resistors (12v each), if they are in series then the voltage is shared across the two resistors (6 for each).

In a series connection, the voltage is shared across all loads, this is how series circuits work. I believe there is a voltage gradient across the conductor which makes this happen.

Steinmetz threw out the notion of charge on a conductor because it made misconceptions and confusion arise, instead he said the electric circuit arose from the conjugate energies of the dielectric and magnetic fields.
 

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